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On April 12 2012 18:13 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
When do you guys run AD reds/quints? I figured that in lanes like Kennen vs Nasus or Kennen vs Poppy, where they can't do anything to you 1-4 it's way better than AP/move speed. Thoughts?
Kennen is an AP carry, having more AD on him might make you a little stronger for the first few levels but will fall off so much after that it's not worth it.
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On April 12 2012 18:13 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
When do you guys run AD reds/quints? I figured that in lanes like Kennen vs Nasus or Kennen vs Poppy, where they can't do anything to you 1-4 it's way better than AP/move speed. Thoughts?
I wouldn't say its way better. But I have seen 2k player run AD runes on Kennen. He was against GP that match I think. But I would never do that. Even though you have a decent autoattack as Kennen, you will mostly not be doing any autoattacks. If you would, you would see people go Gunblade instead of WotA. Just run him pure AP/magic pen and that should most likely give you the best results.
I think the reason people ran AD on him is because people generally get a lot of MR early game from runes and that lowers his harass. With a stronger auto attack that they dont have defensive specs for, he should be able to win any kind of match up that he is put up with.
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On April 13 2012 05:02 Strykemard wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 18:13 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
When do you guys run AD reds/quints? I figured that in lanes like Kennen vs Nasus or Kennen vs Poppy, where they can't do anything to you 1-4 it's way better than AP/move speed. Thoughts? I wouldn't say its way better. But I have seen 2k player run AD runes on Kennen. He was against GP that match I think. But I would never do that. Even though you have a decent autoattack as Kennen, you will mostly not be doing any autoattacks. If you would, you would see people go Gunblade instead of WotA. Just run him pure AP/magic pen and that should most likely give you the best results. I think the reason people ran AD on him is because people generally get a lot of MR early game from runes and that lowers his harass. With a stronger auto attack that they dont have defensive specs for, he should be able to win any kind of match up that he is put up with.
If you arent autoing people in lane as kennen, you are playing him very wrong, especially every 5th attack.
I would run AD in any lane I thought I'd be safe AAing alot and thought it could make a difference in pushing them out of lane. Yes, later in the game it wont be useful, but the magic pen from reds wont be doing much either (its 7% more damage vs a target with 30MR). If the AD allows you to zone them earlier and farce them back it will translate be a much greater advantage goldwise and itemwise.
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How do you guys close out games with Kennen? It seems that no matter how fed I get (was 7-1 with 192cs at 25 mins last game), I just seem to become pretty useless after the midgame. Like if I rush in to ult, I get focussed and I die. Otherwise I don't do that much damage. Halp?
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On April 21 2012 18:07 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
How do you guys close out games with Kennen? It seems that no matter how fed I get (was 7-1 with 192cs at 25 mins last game), I just seem to become pretty useless after the midgame. Like if I rush in to ult, I get focussed and I die. Otherwise I don't do that much damage. Halp?
Zhonyas.
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Haha yea, there is no hero in the game on whom zhonya works better.
Should be your core, it is usally my first item after wota.
Anways i think there is no stronger ap champion in game late game if no one can push you out of team fight.
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Does anyone know exactly how Wingsofdeathx sets up his top lane Kennen? From watching it in the Solomid tourney over the weekend, it looks like he runs AD runes + boots into DBlade openings for lane dominance, but transitions to AP for mid/lategame teamfighting via items and masteries. Anyone know his exact setup or build order? Can't remember what AP items he bought at all, I'm afraid.
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Is kennen supposed to beat vlad pre-revolver?
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Vlad has the advantage in lane but can go kennen's way if he lands a bit too many shurikens or vlad uses too many skills on the creep wave.
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On April 21 2012 18:34 Makavw wrote:
Haha yea, there is no hero in the game on whom zhonya works better.
Should be your core, it is usally my first item after wota.
Anways i think there is no stronger ap champion in game late game if no one can push you out of team fight.
I think rushing Zhonya's isn't really that good on Kennen, I generally prefer Rylai's after wota. (There are definitely specific situations where Zhonya's first might be better)
Rylai's lets you kite people hard and makes it even harder from them to escape, and it's much more reliable because there is no downtime (unlike Zhonya's active). It's also very helpful when running from small skirmishes. I usually get Zhonya's soon after Rylai's.
As for your fist claim, I'd argue that Zhonya's works better on Morgana and that she's also a stronger ap champion in late game team fights if you get your ult+Zhonya's off in the midst of them.
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Rylais is overrated on Kennen imho. It's a decent item but definitely less core than zhonya/deathcap. Kennen is plenty-strong as a stand-alone champion and he definitely doesn't need the rylai slow to fight 1v1 (or let's face it, the energy capacity to abuse the crap out of it anyways).
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Kennen is free this week!
Yes yes yes!
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Loved the champ, loved his damage, although i tend to get a bit nervous on teamfights, tend to screw up and lose concentration, i was so hyped after getting hourglass that i flashed first into the enemy team that was doing baron and ulted, the result: died, but did TONS OF DAMAGE and had fun assisting my team!
Need to relax more when playing this kind of champs (energy usage mostly) i tend to lose focus and lose early, i have a supportive mind, maybe i should go back to taric/soraka/janna :'c.
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On May 19 2012 14:12 iGrok wrote:Update on ALL KENNEN: Level 7. Finally figured out how to play him. Only 1 negative K/D in my match history, which was a 13/15/15 game with 2 Ragequits on my team  . There are so many leavers this low, holy shit. But not all is despair! Check it out, some people down here are actually manner! I've won 4 of my last five. Its easy to win lanes once I realized to just use w to trade through minions (proc W, attack enemy mid, W). Energy lets me just spam it like a dick. I'm considering leveling R>W>Q>E instead of R>Q>W>E. Thoughts?
w max crushes melees and a lot of short ranged heroes. if you play him toplane you should be maxing w almost every time, which is why it hurts me to watch dyrus and hotshot playing kennen and maxing q every fucking game. im like wtf you doinggggg zzz. i only see wings maxing w and crushing his lane every time. probably because he played with ego ignaxio so much.
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So how the hell do you lane vs Teemo?
Guy is so damn annoying. Probably didn't help that tool Shaco ganked me at level 2 and forced me to flash.
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last time i laned vs teemo i destroyed him he is annoying but just use your w to harass etc then wait till blind over then go in.
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I bought kennen to play mid. I already have two tops that I like. Kennen wouldn't be my third choice top either.
One thing I don't get though is how you lane against pushers. I laned against a morgana yesterday who was pretty bad, getting less cs than me, but still pushed well. Each lane I just tried to E through the minion wave, dodge a binding, and hit my maxed W to damage the minions and keep the lane from going into tower.
I hate it when things go to tower because although it's easier for me to get a kill with a gank, I can't leave tower or I lose experience and gold, and since it's pushed to tower, I have a hard time csing. Then morgana can walk back every ten seconds and I won't know if she's ganking bot without two wards mid.
Also it'd be impossible to clear lanes like this against sion because of point and click stun
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On May 31 2012 15:57 Cloud9157 wrote:
So how the hell do you lane vs Teemo?
Guy is so damn annoying. Probably didn't help that tool Shaco ganked me at level 2 and forced me to flash.
Teemo is really squishy before he gets his phage. What you want to do is harass him down to ~75% at level 5 and push the wave slightly so you hit 6 before him. The moment you level your ultimate either flash and E or walk into the bush, get close, E, ulti, and hit ignite. Once teemo's stunned, throw a shuriken and then right click him to tower. He will die.
On July 13 2012 07:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
I bought kennen to play mid. I already have two tops that I like. Kennen wouldn't be my third choice top either.
One thing I don't get though is how you lane against pushers. I laned against a morgana yesterday who was pretty bad, getting less cs than me, but still pushed well. Each lane I just tried to E through the minion wave, dodge a binding, and hit my maxed W to damage the minions and keep the lane from going into tower.
I hate it when things go to tower because although it's easier for me to get a kill with a gank, I can't leave tower or I lose experience and gold, and since it's pushed to tower, I have a hard time csing. Then morgana can walk back every ten seconds and I won't know if she's ganking bot without two wards mid.
Also it'd be impossible to clear lanes like this against sion because of point and click stun
With kennen, it's really hard to deal with heavy pushers like morgana and orianna with blue buff. Once you get your revolver, tank the wave outside of tower or last hit better under tower. Your advantage is that lightning rush gets you to other lanes really fast if you see them moving. Until you have enough AP that an autoattack+E+W one shots the wave, you're going to have trouble keeping up with them if they do push.
What I've seen on reginald/froggen's streams when they play kennen against the skillshot pushers is abuse kennen's speed to play aggressively. Hit E, run at them, hit them with a Q+W and back out. Unless you get hit by the binding, you'll win the trade.
Against Sion, you either have to eat the stun and harass him after the shield blows or blow the shield. Generally, early-mid game, a Q+W is enough to pop the shield.
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On July 13 2012 07:43 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 15:57 Cloud9157 wrote:
So how the hell do you lane vs Teemo?
Guy is so damn annoying. Probably didn't help that tool Shaco ganked me at level 2 and forced me to flash. Teemo is really squishy before he gets his phage. What you want to do is harass him down to ~75% at level 5 and push the wave slightly so you hit 6 before him. The moment you level your ultimate either flash and E or walk into the bush, get close, E, ulti, and hit ignite. Once teemo's stunned, throw a shuriken and then right click him to tower. He will die. Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 07:24 obesechicken13 wrote:
I bought kennen to play mid. I already have two tops that I like. Kennen wouldn't be my third choice top either.
One thing I don't get though is how you lane against pushers. I laned against a morgana yesterday who was pretty bad, getting less cs than me, but still pushed well. Each lane I just tried to E through the minion wave, dodge a binding, and hit my maxed W to damage the minions and keep the lane from going into tower.
I hate it when things go to tower because although it's easier for me to get a kill with a gank, I can't leave tower or I lose experience and gold, and since it's pushed to tower, I have a hard time csing. Then morgana can walk back every ten seconds and I won't know if she's ganking bot without two wards mid.
Also it'd be impossible to clear lanes like this against sion because of point and click stun With kennen, it's really hard to deal with heavy pushers like morgana and orianna with blue buff. Once you get your revolver, tank the wave outside of tower or last hit better under tower. Your advantage is that lightning rush gets you to other lanes really fast if you see them moving. Until you have enough AP that an autoattack+E+W one shots the wave, you're going to have trouble keeping up with them if they do push. What I've seen on reginald/froggen's streams when they play kennen against the skillshot pushers is abuse kennen's speed to play aggressively. Hit E, run at them, hit them with a Q+W and back out. Unless you get hit by the binding, you'll win the trade. Against Sion, you either have to eat the stun and harass him after the shield blows or blow the shield. Generally, early-mid game, a Q+W is enough to pop the shield.
It's morg. How do I hurt her and make it stick?
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Is running energy regen seals in any way standard, or is Ignaxio just really good?
Also, are there any guides that have been released/updated since the nerfs to Kennen (specifically the range nerf)? Solomid seems to only have guides that are more 150+ days old.
ETA: I really like Haunting Guise early on Kennen if I get a little ahead. Any thoughts on HG as it relates to [before/after/never build this item] Hextech Revolver?
Thanks!
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