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On January 25 2012 12:51 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2012 12:37 starfries wrote:
Is this jungle Kennen or something? Opening vamp scepter in lane is just asking to get crushed. hmm, why do you say this?
potions give you a lot more sustain, and vamp scepter makes you vulnerable to being bursted down. consider the alternatives: cloth 5 gives you that armor, dshield/dblade gives you a health buffer, boots let you kite a lot harder. also, potions don't require you to push the lane, you can use them if you get zoned, you can use them while running away, etc. they're a lot more versatile than the pure sustain you get from vamp scepter.
and also, Kennen E is good, but it's not as much of a get-out-of-jail free card as you think unless the other lane/jungle have no pressure at all. vamp scepter is probably one of the worst items you can have while you're getting ganked.
On January 25 2012 18:40 Haasts wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2012 06:41 overt wrote:
AD Kennen also less team dependent then a lot of other AD carries due to his E, R, and passive allowing him to escape divers easily. This x1000. In solo queue, it's a real gamble as to whether your team will peel for you - it's burnt me out on Kog'maw and increased my Tristana play; if you're just looking to get to a lategame right-click-on-shit carry position while still having escapes/self-peels/utility, you can do a lot worse than Kennen (AD LeBlanc is particularly good for repositioning/escapes if your team let you get away with it, heh).
I love AD Leblanc, but people keep telling me it's a troll build 
it's basically impossible to dive her with only one person and often with two as well.
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How does Kennen fare against Akali? And what counters him at solo top?
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On February 01 2012 03:04 Zhiroo wrote:
How does Kennen fare against Akali? And what counters him at solo top?
If you manage to bully her enough early on, you should be able to bully her around a bit. At a certain point, you'll both have revolvers and it usually emerges into a farmfest that's decided by jungle ganks. Also, nothing counters Kennen in lane. Infinity range farm ftw.
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Aight TL, I'm about to buy Kennen and I need some input from you guys.
I think I'm fine for items and I think I understand how to lane him as AD.
MASTERIES AND RUNES FOR AP KENNEN.
When and vs what do I want offense/defense/utility?
Is there any matchup where energy runes / spellvamp quints help a LOT or is this stuff rather gimmicky?
The generic game plan is Q people in the face and use E+W proc to get a stun+auto+run away combo off, is that correct? Any other stuff that should be included in any fresh newb Kennens arsenal?
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Last hit until you have a W charge, run up and auto them + W for damage. They either stay there and eat the damage or try to run away and get zoned. Try to save a charged up auto attack and last hit with Q if possible to keep the threat and make them play scared.
Don't be afraid to E up to them if they use spells to farm.
21-9-0 is pretty good. AP/Mpen/HP per level for quint red yellow. Pretty flexible on blues, MR or AP/lvl are both ok imo.
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On February 03 2012 13:20 r.Evo wrote:
Aight TL, I'm about to buy Kennen and I need some input from you guys.
I think I'm fine for items and I think I understand how to lane him as AD.
MASTERIES AND RUNES FOR AP KENNEN.
When and vs what do I want offense/defense/utility?
Is there any matchup where energy runes / spellvamp quints help a LOT or is this stuff rather gimmicky?
The generic game plan is Q people in the face and use E+W proc to get a stun+auto+run away combo off, is that correct? Any other stuff that should be included in any fresh newb Kennens arsenal?
21-9-0, spam Q to harrass or farm if having trouble, when you hit 6 you combo intelligently for double or triple stun utilizing the ulti and kill them with ignite, repeat every time ulti is up.
Wota into rylai or deathcap depending on need, hourglass is nice as well, boots are sorc. Starting item boots imo.
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Merc treads aren't bad either TBH. You're gonna be charging in to initiate a lot and sitting in the middle of the team, extra resistances + soaking up cc is always nice, especially since WotA Boots and Rylais cost a lot and you won't have Hourglass when the teamfights first start breaking out.
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And btw jax can dodge parrrley even though earlier in this thread you guys said he cant -_- annoying that you guys keep postin gstuff you havent tested
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Hmm... what makes the 21 9 0 strong compared to the 9 0 21 ego ignatio usually seems to use?
What situations are there for 21 def (besides laning vs annie csheep =D)?
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On February 03 2012 13:47 Shikyo wrote:
And btw jax can dodge parrrley even though earlier in this thread you guys said he cant -_- annoying that you guys keep postin gstuff you havent tested
wrong thread :O
does ego still go 21 in utility after the masteries change? util tree seems very inferior to offense on kennen imo
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i think he really likes the spell vamp in util combined with spell vamp quints
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On February 03 2012 13:53 r.Evo wrote:
Hmm... what makes the 21 9 0 strong compared to the 9 0 21 ego ignatio usually seems to use?
What situations are there for 21 def (besides laning vs annie csheep =D)?
I play Kennen top, like I do most my APs and I spec 21 Off.
Ego's play style benefits greatly in going mid. He opens Shield and wants to sustain forever (Spell Vamp Quints + Mastery). Because of his high Spell Vamp, even before Revolver, he can actually trade burst for burst vs other AP Casters. Lane sustain and when enemy mid is forced to back (cause hey, only nubs use mana), Ego goes to another lane and Ulti ganks for kills, then returns back to lane with a WotA, huehue.
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Another thing about 9/0/21 is that he likes to trade Flashes, so that the next time his Flash comes up, it's a free kill.
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On February 03 2012 14:32 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 13:53 r.Evo wrote:
Hmm... what makes the 21 9 0 strong compared to the 9 0 21 ego ignatio usually seems to use?
What situations are there for 21 def (besides laning vs annie csheep =D)? I play Kennen top, like I do most my APs and I spec 21 Off. Ego's play style benefits greatly in going mid. He opens Shield and wants to sustain forever (Spell Vamp Quints + Mastery). Because of his high Spell Vamp, even before Revolver, he can actually trade burst for burst vs other AP Casters. Lane sustain and when enemy mid is forced to back (cause hey, only nubs use mana), Ego goes to another lane and Ulti ganks for kills, then returns back to lane with a WotA, huehue.
What do you open top for items? I really agree with Ego with Kennen not needing boots at all.
Basicly that'd mean DShield or Cloth+5 vs AD and I dno if theres a single cloth item Kennen would like.
What do you open with vs AP top? null magic+2? =D
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On February 04 2012 15:10 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 14:32 NeoIllusions wrote:On February 03 2012 13:53 r.Evo wrote:
Hmm... what makes the 21 9 0 strong compared to the 9 0 21 ego ignatio usually seems to use?
What situations are there for 21 def (besides laning vs annie csheep =D)? I play Kennen top, like I do most my APs and I spec 21 Off. Ego's play style benefits greatly in going mid. He opens Shield and wants to sustain forever (Spell Vamp Quints + Mastery). Because of his high Spell Vamp, even before Revolver, he can actually trade burst for burst vs other AP Casters. Lane sustain and when enemy mid is forced to back (cause hey, only nubs use mana), Ego goes to another lane and Ulti ganks for kills, then returns back to lane with a WotA, huehue. What do you open top for items? I really agree with Ego with Kennen not needing boots at all. Basicly that'd mean DShield or Cloth+5 vs AD and I dno if theres a single cloth item Kennen would like. What do you open with vs AP top? null magic+2? =D
I open Boots + 3 pretty much every time. I stick to my own skills for top lane, as opposed to spec'ing vs who I'm facing (what Smash does with Resist Quints). Both style has its virtues: if I get farm, I'll be stronger mid/late game. Smash definitely has a better time in lane, if not just flat out winning it.
vs AP, I'd still open Boots. And from there it depends who I'm against. Against someone like LeBlanc, I'd straight rush Negatron, cause that's simply what I do vs her. Against Swain, I would still last hit farm with Q until 1200, then start aggro once I have spell vamp. It's situational. Generic answer, sry.
NMM + 2 seems ok but I have never seen it over the past year. No idea why it's not a viable opening. I personally have no experience going NMM first.
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How do you guys deal with Pantheon?
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He can't do much against your Q range, can he? I guess if you start with cloth+5, and/or armor runes and 9 defense, you can just farm from afar until you can buy a chain vest then ignore him (and you'll use it if you want to go Zhonya anyway).
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So I JUST bought Kennen the other day and got like 3-4 games in on him pre-nerf but I played him again today and I REALLY felt it. There were many times when I wanted a Shuriken and it was still cooling down. Frustration.
Is this what you guy have found as well? Or just an anomaly?
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I've been thinking about changing my build on Kennen a bit.
I could go entirely glass cannon (except for hourglass which is core) or I could go for a mix of AP and tankiness. So my question is how viable would this build be?
Sorc boots
hourglass
wota/revolver (dont like running wota unless theres a mage mid/top, comments?)
Rylai's
Abyssal Scepter
last item, probably would be DC.
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Your final build is more or less what I'd end up with. I'd skip Abyssal for QSS or Void Staff. Those are better use of a slot imo.
If you're top Kennen (like how I play him), you're going to have an AP mid anyways, so WotA is my first item.
Zhonya's active means you'll survive the initial salvo of spells in a team fight and have EWQ back up again to spell vamp back to health.
Sorc, WotA, Zhonya's core imo.
From here, decide if you need more more AP (Deathcap), more MPen because enemy is stacking MR (Void Staff), need faster CC (Rylai's) or need to peel (QSS).
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