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On December 21 2011 09:02 Cloud9157 wrote:
Not saying you're wrong, but what exactly is op about him? Only thing I really consider ridiculous is his ult. Even then I just think its the damage.
I just love using him in normal games. Stomped so many people, even making 4 of them run from me near one of our turrets when I ult'd. Destroyed everything except for Malz, which seems to be one of his worst matchups (fucker pushes far too hard).
Kennen's laning is just ridiculous. A low CD huge range energy based harass that has really good base damage, E that helps escape from ganks + extra durability, and just general good stats for a caster who hits hard but is still tanky.
His only weakness is it's hard to push back, so yeah, Malzahar and Morgana do pretty well vs. him, but he's hard pressed tos traight up lose a lane. At worst it's even, in some cases he shits on the other guy. (hi Veigar) also he's a monster top lane too.
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Yeah I do like his laning in particular. Reminds me a lot of how I did with Kassadin except that I farm 10 times better.
Even then, I get the equivalent to Riftwalk at lvl 3.
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I'm not a Kennen player but when I see someone pick Kennen I go either mao or rammus because that's basically the only 2 junglers that can catch kennen in lane right now for a kill.
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So many Kennen picks lately, how the hell did this happen?
Whenever I see one I avoid playing mid AP cus hes so hard to lane against, also when im a jungler I tend not to gank mid cus i fail 90% of the time due to that huge MS boost.
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I don't think his laning is that ridiculous, lots of champions can do fine vs him. And to farm kennen actually has to get somewhat near creeps unlike many other casters.
Also some casters do very well in lane vs him.
Ok well yeah his laning is *very strong* overall but he doesn't stand out to me as complete bullshit like a few of the champs in this game.
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On December 21 2011 09:16 travis wrote:
I don't think his laning is that ridiculous, lots of champions can do fine vs him. And to farm kennen actually has to get somewhat near creeps unlike many other casters.
Also some casters do very well in lane vs him.
Which caster would you recommend? I fail with most of them vs Kennen
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I think ryze is good but I think annie is really really good vs him
I think gragas should do well if played well
leblanc beats everyone right?
I don't know about morgana but I do think malz should do well
anyone with real long range can prolly be played in a way that they come out around even in cs without dying at mid I think, but im not real sure about that
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Maybe I don't face that many good Kens, but I hold my own vs them as Swain.
Want to rush me with E? Heres a Q>E>W. There goes half of your health. Add on R+ignite at lvl 6 and you better pray you don't die.
Kassadin is also a very good pick against him, as is true against pretty much any other AP caster.
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yeah swain should be good against him
I don't know about kassadin that's an interesting one..
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Shit, I keep forgetting about Ryze. Hmmm thats pretty interesting.
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I see a lot of people use him as an ult bot, waiting for an initiate and going flash R>E>run around>W. It works fine and he's pretty balanced if you use him like that. But his burst potential is huge, bigger than a lot of AP carries if you can actually land more than one shuriken on your target in a fight, and you can chain stun your target twice as well. If you can actually land those skills he feels like Akali with a huge AOE stun. Not to mention he has a great laning phase and counters a lot of champions both top and mid, isn't blue/mana dependent, can rush WotA, has great sustainability, mobility for ganking, basically ungankable, can poke and kite really well. His only real weakness is the fact that he need to get in close in teamfights and is vulnerable to focus.
note that I'm not a good Kennen player so I can't do all those things consistently. But whenever I play Kennen I feel like his kit lets him do pretty much anything, and if things go wrong it's because I'm not using it optimally.
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Yes I think his Q is amazing if you can hit people with it but out of all the skillshots in the game that I use I think that one might be the single hardest to land consistently.
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against Kennen
He's not that great against pushers because EW takes a long time to get to wave-clearing levels. Also because his full burst requires him to get in melee range, anyone that can burst him down without letting him get close will force him to play passive. You won't kill him, since he can just sit back and throw Qs, but if you push the wave you are usually free to roam and gank.
yeah Ryze is a good choice. Morgana is pretty good too since if he actually tries to kill you, you can block so many marks of the storm with shield and you can just push his lane all day. I think Kennen can actually beat Swain early on or if Swain doesn't have blue, since he can flash over the snare, and his first stun is almost instant with R W passive W active.
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Kassadin and Annie get shat on by Kennen -__-
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How does annie get shat on by kennen
she has long range and a regular stun
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On December 21 2011 08:30 starfries wrote:
He isn't really, I see him all the time now. Makes me a bit sad since I liked when not many people know how strong he is. He's probably a bit overpowered if we're being perfectly honest, but thankfully there hasn't been too much QQ yet.
Kennen used to be OP fotm that everyone played. Then they got rid of Zhonya's Ring and nerfed him. So he fell into obscurity for awhile.
I don't think he's too out of line to be honest. He has several counters in lane and I don't want Riot to nerf yet another AP who makes a good 1v1 duelist. I think the reason he gets seen a lot more and might seem OP is because he can run mid or top and allows teams to easily run double WotA. If people and Riot really think he's OP I'd much rather them nerf WotA and then see where he's at.
Unless they give him a huge nerf he's always going to be viable because his kit and his passive are really good.
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In my experience Annie rapes Kennen in lane. Like, it's not even close. Kennen can't get close to her or she 100->0s him.
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I agree that WotA is way too good and most QQ I've seen about Kennen is his synergy there. I wouldn't mind a nerf there tbh since a lot people use it as a crutch. Like if you make a mistake and accidentally feed first blood against someone you should be able to beat, then you can just sit back and farm with Q and do fine when with anyone else you would end up raped in lane.
Annie forces Kennen to farm passively which is as much a win as you're going to get. I think Kennen benefits more from a farm-off though. She can't really do the push lane and go gank thing that well either.
As for landing Qs in teamfights, you're guaranteed one off your initial stun and it's not that hard to land your second if you have Rylai's/red. The CDR from blue helps a lot too. I agree landing them outside of fights is tricky though.
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On December 21 2011 09:32 travis wrote:
How does annie get shat on by kennen
she has long range and a regular stun
Squishy, shorter range than Q, has to get up close to Q minions to charge stun, can't trade with Kennen consistently.
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On December 21 2011 12:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 09:32 travis wrote:
How does annie get shat on by kennen
she has long range and a regular stun Squishy, shorter range than Q, has to get up close to Q minions to charge stun, can't trade with Kennen consistently.
I will agree with you pre 6, but once Annie gets Tibbers, she is going to burst Kennen down in a lot more situations than Kennen will burst her.
Once Annie hits 6, all she has to do is camp right in the middle of minions. Kennen has to farm with Q or just stay away from her. As soon as he wants to rush her with E, shes going to make him eat her full combo.
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On December 21 2011 12:58 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 12:55 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 21 2011 09:32 travis wrote:
How does annie get shat on by kennen
she has long range and a regular stun Squishy, shorter range than Q, has to get up close to Q minions to charge stun, can't trade with Kennen consistently. I will agree with you pre 6, but once Annie gets Tibbers, she is going to burst Kennen down in a lot more situations than Kennen will burst her. Once Annie hits 6, all she has to do is camp right in the middle of minions. Kennen has to farm with Q or just stay away from her. As soon as he wants to rush her with E, shes going to make him eat her full combo.
Buy MR/giant's belt after revolver. Defensive masteries. Annie is dead after she bursts and you don't die.
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