[Champion] Garen - Page 3

On August 17 2011 05:58 57 Corvette wrote:
Sighh.

Garen on my team rushed tier 3 boots, then warmogs and sunfire.
Ugh.


I am thinking of picking up another tanky dps, but I am not really sure on which I could get. Garen seems like a good choice, but why should I pick him over the likes of Jarvan or Trundle?

On August 17 2011 05:58 57 Corvette wrote:
Sighh.

Garen on my team rushed tier 3 boots, then warmogs and sunfire.
Ugh.


I am thinking of picking up another tanky dps, but I am not really sure on which I could get. Garen seems like a good choice, but why should I pick him over the likes of Jarvan or Trundle?

On August 17 2011 06:33 robertdinh wrote:
Garen is pretty faceroll, when I played him it was easier than playing any other champion in the game.

But I can beat any garen solo top as mundo.

On August 17 2011 07:04 R04R wrote:
I'm pretty sure a good flash->q->e->ignite at level 3 or 5 will either 70-0 mundo or force him out of lane and make him b. Even if mundo only has to B, that's still a lane advantage for the Garen.

On August 17 2011 07:41 robertdinh wrote:


I'm pretty sure a good mundo can keep the lane pushed right outside his tower the whole time, and can punish garen each time he tries to push the lane through to the tower to reset it. I am also pretty sure a good mundo is well aware of the faceroll combos garen has and knows how to stay protected from that. I'm also pretty sure only a low elo garen would go for that combo on a good mundo and completely open himself up to a gank if he blows his flash.

On August 17 2011 07:44 TheYango wrote:

No, that's the Mundo player being a better player overall. There's nothing to suggest that Mundo has superior creep control inherent in his kit than Garen, so you can't really expect the argument "I freeze the lane in front of my tower" to work, when Garen can do the exact same thing and zone you from there.

On August 17 2011 07:46 robertdinh wrote:
Garen can't though, mundo has cleave and bushes to work with. Garen HAS to use his abilities to out cs mundo, each time he does he opens himself up to mundo burst for a few seconds. A good mundo simply last hits, same with a good garen, the problem being garen can not last hit vs mundo without using abilities, cause if he just tries to auto attack ill zone him outta the lane anyway, or he will only be equal in cs, in which case i'll destroy him after 11 even moreso than already.

On August 17 2011 07:48 TheYango wrote:

Explain how you punish him for autoattacking creeps?

You can't cleaver him because he's standing inside a hodgepodge of melee creeps. And if you walk up to use any other ability, you obviously eat a full combo, which is a losing trade for Mundo unless you have ultimate to heal back up.

On August 17 2011 07:46 robertdinh wrote:


Garen can't though, mundo has cleave and bushes to work with. Garen HAS to use his abilities to out cs mundo, each time he does he opens himself up to mundo burst for a few seconds. A good mundo simply last hits, same with a good garen, the problem being garen can not last hit vs mundo without using abilities, cause if he just tries to auto attack ill zone him outta the lane anyway, or he will only be equal in cs, in which case i'll destroy him after 11 even moreso than already.

Mundo controls a lane vs garen much better than the garen can, if he wants he can just avoid last hitting altogether til the lane pushes right outside his tower. Sit in the bush and garen either gets bullied far back or wastes abilities to get in and get out to last hit, in which case mundo will take huge chunks of his life.

I am talking 2 highly skilled players, mundo wins everytime. Garen can't exactly sit pushed up in a lane before the first buy, and even after that it's still not safe. Because of the bushes and having a ranged skill shot mundo can zone him out of the lane, it's going to happen at high skill, the way it happens just depends on which way garen wants to let it happen.

On August 17 2011 07:57 r.Evo wrote:


Since a part of me feels like Yango fell for complete trollbait here...

Would you care to share at which ranked elo your way of playing Mundo consistently beats Garen players solo top?

Also, please explain to me (since I'm a scrub at Garen) which of his ranged abilities Garen has to use to out-cs Mundo. Last time I checked, walking up to a creep, hitting it and loling at a random Cleaver that prolly hits one of your own minions is not called "using abilities to not get outfarmed"...

On August 17 2011 07:58 GARO wrote:
Don't worry, this guy doesn't lose bot lane with mundo+teemo and he has more experience with the doctor than all of us.
I mean, he has secrets none of us can even comprehend about playing a champ who hits q+e then right clicks!

First trolling the dota2 thread, now LoL with his superb 'experience'

On August 17 2011 08:00 Navi wrote:
unless you get like 2 crits with sadism every time garen goes for a q there's no way a mundo could out-dps garen
likewise his combo is nearly unavoidable if you go for a melee lasthit because of the speed on q for garen
as for lane control that comes down to individual players' skills but its also very difficult to perfectly consistently freeze a lane at any given point or place in the lane unless you tank some amounts of minion aggro which is deadly earlygame

i will test out garen vs mundo with you

On August 17 2011 08:00 robertdinh wrote:


Name a comp that can't get zoned in bot lane by teemo mundo, or at the very least can't get outfarmed.

On August 17 2011 07:59 robertdinh wrote:


My way of playing mundo will beat any garen at any rank in top lane. Unfortunately the game is 5v5 and garen and mundo aren't generally efficient picks composition wise for the team.

On August 17 2011 08:00 GARO wrote:

Panth+Taric? hurr durr

Thanks for the free FB teemo.