Well that's what you get with such an extremely straightforward champion. I mean there really isn't much depth to his skill set so all you get is numbers and they keep nerfing that because he shits all over incompetent players since he is much easier to play properly (not optimally) at lower levels compared to many other champions in the league.

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

November 03 2011 23:54 GMT

#82

If they let him jump to his teammates or something and lowered the stats, but gave it a really low cooldown, I think he'd be a lot more fun. They might have to get rid of the CDR thing. Too immobile, doesn't offer much cc.

Here's a thought: give his Q a slow on the first and second hits (not a lot) have the cdr bonus apply only to Q, remove the slow from his E, lower the cd dramatically, let his E jump to teammates and friendly creeps and wards and so on.

rob.au

1087 Posts

November 04 2011 01:28 GMT

#83

He was actually pretty cool before after the first release nerf. It's not like Xin has huge amounts of sustain, especially compared to the standard nowadays. Sure all he can do is jump on people but I mean, he has no ranged or safe way of harassing or disengaging so it's interesting in the sense that you actually do have to commit quite hard when you play him. Not only that even if you know you can win the trade and jump on them, he has no defense against ganking him when he does commit. Playing against Rammus and other good counter gankers was pretty tough. Having said this he wasn't considered anything more than a niche pubstomper pre-nerf, but it was pretty fun and effective imo.

I think Akali has way more laning power than pre-pointlesss nerf Xin which is why I don't understand the nerfs. She can last hit with Q and shroud where as Xin has to just eat harass.

Part of the problem with Xin now is they nerfed his skills along with nerfing lane wriggles so he basically isn't good in any lane, then buffed his jungling which made him even worse at low elo's since the only difficult part about Xin was early in the laning phase. Sure a jungler with low cd auto aim gap closer + knockup and minor sustain is going to destroy low elo games.

Xin also offers a lot of CC with the CDR aspect if you build him how successful Xin's were, (Doji, Gman Bob etc...) If you combine ghostblade and other ASPD items while maxing e>w>q they end up on next to no cooldown at all.

Anyway I wish they would buff him back up so he could lane rather than just being jungler with easy mode ganks.

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

November 04 2011 03:48 GMT

#84

lane wriggles was op before and it's still op. he actually seems much better as a laner than a jungler to me

rob.au

1087 Posts

November 04 2011 08:37 GMT

#85

My point was back then the lifesteal worked on the 500 damage proc, so even if they hadn't nerfed him he would be weaker in lane now than back then and he wasn't considered anything amazing even then.

R04R

United States1631 Posts

November 04 2011 08:39 GMT

#86

stop saying xin top is bad. he can beat a lot of ppl at level 2, while a lot of other tops are still not at their power level yet.

clickrush

Switzerland3257 Posts

November 04 2011 12:25 GMT

#87

On November 04 2011 17:37 rob.au wrote:
My point was back then the lifesteal worked on the 500 damage proc, so even if they hadn't nerfed him he would be weaker in lane now than back then and he wasn't considered anything amazing even then.

it was physical back then. now, since its a magical damage procc you will spellvamp from it, which is pretty cool on lee sin

UniversalSnip

9871 Posts

November 04 2011 20:13 GMT

#88

you don't spellvamp from it D:

clickrush

Switzerland3257 Posts

November 04 2011 20:22 GMT

#89

On November 05 2011 05:13 UniversalSnip wrote:
you don't spellvamp from it D:

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Spellvamp

according to this it does :/

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

November 04 2011 20:28 GMT

#90

On November 05 2011 05:22 clickrush wrote:

Show nested quote +

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Spellvamp

according to this it does :/

No, it doesn't. The wiki says spellvamp works off of activated item effects. Wriggles/Razor procs aren't activated effects hence no spellvamp.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

November 07 2011 21:09 GMT

#91

man, everyone needs to grow up on Magic the Gathering so that they can know the difference between Activated and Triggered Abilities :p

Sandster

United States4054 Posts

November 07 2011 21:21 GMT

#92

On November 08 2011 06:09 Mogwai wrote:
man, everyone needs to grow up on Magic the Gathering so that they can know the difference between Activated and Triggered Abilities :p

I blame Yugioh. Apparently, according to ancient egyptian pharaohs, "to use" and "to set off" are the same verb -_-

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anmolsinghmzn2009

India1783 Posts

February 24 2012 04:39 GMT

#93

So how does XZ's power curve look like as compared to other similar champions? What is supposed to be my role at various stages on the game? Does he shine more in the jungle or as a top-laner? And most importantly - can you dunk people well?

I'm looking to buy him, he seems like a pretty cool champion (I like the sick animation of his ult :D) but I want to understand how people like smash actually play him. The only few xins I've seen build him retarded (they thought they were tryndamere or something ridiculous).

Jaso

United States2147 Posts

February 24 2012 04:50 GMT

#94

From what I understand (because I haven't seen him played in forever), Xin is pretty weak right now. The current roster of junglers and top-laners are a lot stronger and offer much more than what he does.

Nonetheless, his ganks are pretty scary.

anmolsinghmzn2009

India1783 Posts

February 24 2012 05:01 GMT

#95

On February 24 2012 13:50 Jaso wrote:
From what I understand (because I haven't seen him played in forever), Xin is pretty weak right now. The current roster of junglers and top-laners are a lot stronger and offer much more than what he does.

Nonetheless, his ganks are pretty scary.

Well my point is smash likes the guy. So he has to be good in some way.

icemanzdoinwork

447 Posts

February 24 2012 05:15 GMT

#96

One of the worst champs at the moment. He is only good early game. You'll have too get fed. After 25 mins he's as bad as eve. Just how I feel. He was my most used champ season 1 until they nerfed him 400 times.

Terranasaur

United States2085 Posts

February 24 2012 07:17 GMT

#97

I'm so glad you bumped this. I just bought Xin and am loving him so far. I'd love to hear these Smash secrets that he keeps alluding too in GD.

anmolsinghmzn2009

India1783 Posts

February 24 2012 07:21 GMT

#98

On February 24 2012 16:17 Terranasaur wrote:
I'm so glad you bumped this. I just bought Xin and am loving him so far. I'd love to hear these Smash secrets that he keeps alluding too in GD.

yeah, I'm transitioning to playing all the champs smash like lol. Bought karma last week - first game 10/1/3 lolwtf.

Edit: aww yeaahhhh, hydralisk OP yo

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

February 24 2012 14:47 GMT

#99

On February 24 2012 16:17 Terranasaur wrote:
I'm so glad you bumped this. I just bought Xin and am loving him so far. I'd love to hear these Smash secrets that he keeps alluding too in GD.

i think his primary secret is that he keeps xin as a backup to thoroughly trash yorick in top lane. I've played the matchup as well, and have to say yorick is much easier to deal with with xz than most other champs. The only other person i've done as well with vs yorick is swain.

i have no clue what his skilling order is tho, and am kinda curious. I usually max e first (this is what gman bob did a loooong time ago when he solo laned xin, dunno if it's out of date), then kinda alternate between q and w depending on how i feel like it.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

February 24 2012 15:28 GMT

#100

in lane EQWEER R > E > W > Q
in jungle QEWEER R > E > W >Q (red buff with boots opening for level 2 gank) or WQEEER R > E > W > Q (vamp scepter, rush wriggle's opening)