On December 03 2012 07:19 clickrush wrote:
why not get rageblade + FH instead of nashors + GA? ive built stinger and nashors a couple times a long time ago on jax and it didnt feel weak though

Rageblade is just a shitty item in its current form. Maybe the added passive in S3 will make it better on Jax, but it currently is too expensive for what it gives. Other than giving more AS, the CDR on the Nashor's is what really makes it the better item.

As for FH, I'm not sure why you'd want that on Jax. It is really expensive and provides minimal utility. Iceborn gauntlet may be good because of the slow proc from sheen allowing for non-triforce builds, FH seems like a waste in most circumstances.

EDIT: Speaking of the new rageblade, has anyone tried it on the test server? I'm curious as to what people think about it.

banatboy

120 Posts

December 03 2012 01:05 GMT

#604

Were you able to play with the rageblade on the test server?

xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

December 03 2012 02:01 GMT

#605

If you were going to get a rageblade on Jax, I think that you'd want to itemize differently. In short, you'd need to be significantly tankier than usual to fully take advantage of the 50% health super steroid. You'd want to aim for something like boots, rageblade, iceborrne gauntlet, spirit visage, gunblade, nashors. You may even want to trade out the gunblade for something that gives even more tankiness. Spirit visage will be a must for the MR, HP, CDR, and bonus to life leach. Your new core would be something kinda odd and different. Perhaps something like boots, rageblade, sheen, spirit visage/kindle gem. Then you would just build out from there.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

December 03 2012 10:38 GMT

#606

The main reason you don't want rageblade is because sometimes keeping 8 stacks isn't feasible and jax scales harder off of cdr than AP.

xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

December 05 2012 00:42 GMT

#607

Well, the new rageblade feels pretty strong on Jax (just messed around with it on Dominion). The 50% health steroid is nuts. I think the problem is going to be itemizing around it. It is fairly expensive and leaves some gaps in Jax's game that beelining something like trinity force doesn't. Rageblade + mercs/tabi + SV would probably be the new core for a rageblade build. From there, you'd either build IBG for a slow if you need something defensive (though this is an expensive route) or go bilgewater cutlass + stinger. It may be better to save the rageblade as more of a mid-late game item, grabbing bilgewater cutlass + SV + stinger first. Note that I'm opting for cutlass/gunblade over phage/trinity to maximize the healing bonus from SV.

Also, jungle Jax feels pretty good. One thing that I'd note is that once you get a spirit stone, you can pretty much jungle indefinitely without buffs and focus on building regular items if you aren't inclined to finish the spirit stone line.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

December 05 2012 01:00 GMT

#608

I'm not sure if cutlass really is worth it. It's damn expensive for what it does now, even though it's got BotRK to upgrade into. A vamp (or ~2 dblades) would be enough for sustain and then you'd just itemize other defensive stuff until you complete the vamp (even though it basically made lifesteal early price double).

xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

December 05 2012 02:22 GMT

#609

I don't really like the cutlass so much as I like the gunblade. Again, the reason to get it early anyway is to get a reliable slow to replace a phage. Jax can't get by without some kind of slow, whether it is a phage, cutlass, Rylai, or IBG.

Terranasaur

United States2085 Posts

December 05 2012 03:10 GMT

#610

New Jax build:

Hydra, Frostburn, Tank. Try it.

smOOthMayDie

United States997 Posts

December 05 2012 05:12 GMT

#611

On December 05 2012 12:10 Terranasaur wrote:
New Jax build:

Hydra, Frostburn, Tank. Try it.

Do you have any results you can post with it?

nosliw

United States2716 Posts

December 05 2012 05:25 GMT

#612

does the hydra splash the ult damage and the W procs?

smOOthMayDie

United States997 Posts

December 05 2012 06:13 GMT

#613

So I just played my first ranked game with Jax since the changes. I went 16-4-8 with this build (I was facing kayle): Merc treads-> phage-> rageblade->nashors tooth->frozen mallet->Abyssal Scept-> Hexdrinker(wouldve been upgraded, but game ended)

It was very efficient, and i was very tanky despite not having any spellvamp or lifesteal. Instead of hexdrinker I probably should have gotten gunblade, or maybe gotten gunblade instead of Abyssal, or instead of finishing FM, maybe get Gunblade and just keep phage. I'll try it out next time.

smOOthMayDie

United States997 Posts

December 05 2012 06:20 GMT

#614

On December 03 2012 19:38 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
The main reason you don't want rageblade is because sometimes keeping 8 stacks isn't feasible and jax scales harder off of cdr than AP.

I don't think it's hard to keep 8 stacks on jax. Given that you can get 5 stacks almost INSTANTLY when you engage. Q->Auto->W reset-E-auto

Terranasaur

United States2085 Posts

December 05 2012 06:25 GMT

#615

On December 05 2012 14:12 smOOthMayDie wrote:

Show nested quote +

Do you have any results you can post with it?

Um. Ya. I built it in a game and wrecked face? Not sure what you're looking for. Ranked is such a clustercuss right now I wouldn't take any KDA scores or win streaks seriously. I'm just saying, relative to the usual Jax power curve of triforce / GA I built those alternative items and absolutely wrecked fools. The proc on Hydra is insane for Jax. Same with frost burn. If the enemies grouped at all, they were toast.

Try it out and see if you don't agree.

smOOthMayDie

United States997 Posts

December 05 2012 07:41 GMT

#616

On December 05 2012 15:25 Terranasaur wrote:

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I take your build with a grain of salt because you were playing co op vs AI, you could buy 6 warmogs and wreck face in Co-op vs Ai. I'll try it out in a real game though

nosliw

United States2716 Posts

December 05 2012 13:48 GMT

#617

Does the W and ult 's 3rd hit get splashed by hydra?

Thereisnosaurus

Australia1822 Posts

December 05 2012 14:02 GMT

#618

no, but it's still amazing on him. The feeling you get from jumping on something in the middle of a wave and AA+active is absurd. Wave just vanishes. To clarify, both tiamat and hydra ONLY splash your standard AD. not sheen, not on hit effects, nuthin. Obv attack damage steroids are splashed, that's all. Hydra's primary difference is that the passive and active splash now benefit from ALL lifesteal you have.

two things people I think miss about the hydra is 1) the active is a 10 second cooldown. 10 seconds. it's basically a 5th normal ability. you can use it every wave.

Second is that active seems to proc spellblade right now, so if you build an iceborne like me, it makes your tower pushing obscene. Lots of ad, clear waves in under a second, proc the iceborne effect constantly.

I like to build vamp scepter>iceborne>hydra>gunblade atm. the two actives synergise really well and you get some sickeningly good AOE teamfight and sustain, though you don't have the 'fuck y'all I'm going in' intiation that a triforce+ga jax can do.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

December 05 2012 14:07 GMT

#619

No dorans, no bonus HP... what are your masteries? Aren't you squishy as fuck like this?

xDaunt

United States17988 Posts

December 05 2012 14:28 GMT

#620

I don't know if I'm sold on this hydra business. The active isn't that good. It's basically equivalent to one extra autoattack every 10 seconds. The passive effect looks nice and hits a surprisingly large area, but I'm not sure that it's really worth the expense when you could just get a gunblade for better sustain and damage at roughly the same cost. Single target damage? Yes, but that's what matters most of the time. I'd save hydra for AD bruisers like Xin or the monkey.

The IBG is awesome on Jax, though. I think it is reason enough to look at non-trinity builds.