EPTPeople use Mercury's Thread instead of Ninja Tibi.
Any thoughts on this or should I stick to TL's guide?
[Champion] Jax - Page 33
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crbox
Canada1181 Posts
People use Mercury's Thread instead of Ninja Tibi. Any thoughts on this or should I stick to TL's guide? | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On December 22 2012 04:33 crbox wrote: Yo from what I've seen in http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/mr-jax-complete-guide-131040 People use Mercury's Thread instead of Ninja Tibi. Any thoughts on this or should I stick to TL's guide? While you shouldn't trust mobafire, the OP's guide is Most people these days build mercs. Tenacity means you can get out of a close distance Veigar stun before the W lands. It's also the source of a rare and elusive stat: mr. Tenacity will not give you the time you need to catch someone after being hit by a snare. QSS and slowing items like bilgewater and twin shadows are better for that. | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2338 Posts
And like the post above said, MR is much harder to obtain than AR. Especially with the revised costs, there's almost never any reason to go tabi over mercs unless you're facing a heavy AD team. | ||
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crbox
Canada1181 Posts
On December 22 2012 04:45 obesechicken13 wrote: While you shouldn't trust mobafire, the OP's guide is Most people these days build mercs. Tenacity means you can get out of a close distance Veigar stun before the W lands. It's also the source of a rare and elusive stat: mr. Tenacity will not give you the time you need to catch someone after being hit by a snare. QSS and slowing items like bilgewater and twin shadows are better for that. Alright, thanks. I rarely play Jax, but I think I'll build merc. Thanks for helping a LoL clueless  | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 06 2013 10:23 zer0das wrote: I've been experimenting with a bloodthirster/hydra into defensive items build. I'm not entirely sure how the damage output compares to other builds (I don't play much Jax) but it seems pretty solid and gives him a lot of pushing power. Hydra is pretty expensive though, so the defensive items come out a bit late. I haven't done the cost efficiency math, but I strongly suspect that pure AD items are a waste on Jax in terms of damage output because his ability scaling predominantly comes from AP (and AS obviously). Edit: just to be clear, my point is that hybrid items should give the most bang for the buck, | ||
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Jaydosu
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On January 06 2013 10:29 xDaunt wrote: I haven't done the cost efficiency math, but I strongly suspect that pure AD items are a waste on Jax in terms of damage output because his ability scaling predominantly comes from AP (and AS obviously). Edit: just to be clear, my point is that hybrid items should give the most bang for the buck, exactly, thats why rageblade is such a good starting item on him, the ad and ap stack well and gives AS as well. plus it only costs 2k gold. btw, is the bc any good on him? | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
If the active were a better abuse case for Jax it would be better, but if you want to build Hydra you might as well do it on a champ that stacks AD and lifesteal (unlike Jax who gets more damage from Sheen, CDR, and AS). | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On January 08 2013 05:01 xes wrote: What is the appeal of Hydra? It isn't an AA reset, just an extra item effect that uses your AA animation. Your next AA after using the Tiamat/Hydra active comes out faster, but you can't use it to cancel the animation the way you can with W. Furthermore, the animation time you spend swinging for the active doesn't count as a true AA in terms of increasing your passive or ult passive stacks. If the active were a better abuse case for Jax it would be better, but if you want to build Hydra you might as well do it on a champ that stacks AD and lifesteal (unlike Jax who gets more damage from Sheen, CDR, and AS). I was under the impression Hydra applied Sheen Procs, Ult Procs, and W in the AoE. Is that not the case? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 08 2013 05:24 Terranasaur wrote: I was under the impression Hydra applied Sheen Procs, Ult Procs, and W in the AoE. Is that not the case? No. It only applies 60% of your AD, and gives lifesteal. No other effects afaik. That said, though, it's still 75 AD, some lifesteal, and the AoE is decent pushing/clearing power. Not terrible, but I don't play him enough to speak frankly about it. Also, I'm looking for a jungler that I can easily snowball on and just win because Skarner got boring. I only really played Jax once in S3 jungle, how is it going? | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On January 08 2013 05:01 xes wrote: What is the appeal of Hydra? It isn't an AA reset, just an extra item effect that uses your AA animation. Your next AA after using the Tiamat/Hydra active comes out faster, but you can't use it to cancel the animation the way you can with W. Furthermore, the animation time you spend swinging for the active doesn't count as a true AA in terms of increasing your passive or ult passive stacks. If the active were a better abuse case for Jax it would be better, but if you want to build Hydra you might as well do it on a champ that stacks AD and lifesteal (unlike Jax who gets more damage from Sheen, CDR, and AS). It's probably because Jax doesn't have much AoE they want to shore up some of his weaknesses. Jax isn't that slow at clearing waves though if you just throw a triforce on him which is what everyone does so I don't think it's necessary. I also don't agree that AP does more damage than AD. I think AD does more damage if you're getting a lot of attacks off. If you're moving 3 seconds in between each attack though AP is better. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On January 08 2013 05:27 Requizen wrote: No. It only applies 60% of your AD, and gives lifesteal. No other effects afaik. That said, though, it's still 75 AD, some lifesteal, and the AoE is decent pushing/clearing power. Not terrible, but I don't play him enough to speak frankly about it. Also, I'm looking for a jungler that I can easily snowball on and just win because Skarner got boring. I only really played Jax once in S3 jungle, how is it going? Rough. Haven't really worked out an efficient build for him. You pretty much need Machete but all the machete items feel so weak on Jax. If you do somehow get some money though he still wrecks shit same as always, but getting there out of the jungle has been harder in s3. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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koreasilver
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
(Remember, we're in this situation because we picked tabi instead of treads, so the enemy team is AD-focused or we'd have stuck with the merc treads - meaning the chain vest part of IBG is appreciated) | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On January 08 2013 05:55 koreasilver wrote: Building Zephyr is kinda like Nashor's Tooth, except way better. Nashor's gives more CDR and the tenacity on Zephyr is wasted because if you needed tenacity you would've gotten Mercs way before buying a Stinger even | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On January 08 2013 06:07 xes wrote: Nashor's gives more CDR and the tenacity on Zephyr is wasted because if you needed tenacity you would've gotten Mercs way before buying a Stinger even What if you need tenacity because of the mid laner and/or support, but not your own lane opponent? You don't need it for the laning phase, but you want it laner on - Tabi for lane, zephyr later when tenacity becomes more necessary starts to make more sense. Obviously it's situational - I never said it wasn't. I'm just trying to decide, if the situation is right - is the item good enough to fit the situation? Nashors also doesn't give a whopping 10% MS (largest flat MS boost of any [non-boot] item in S3, afaik) | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 08 2013 05:30 Terranasaur wrote: Rough. Haven't really worked out an efficient build for him. You pretty much need Machete but all the machete items feel so weak on Jax. If you do somehow get some money though he still wrecks shit same as always, but getting there out of the jungle has been harder in s3. I've been having a lot of success with Jungle Jax. The item progression that I like the best right now is machete + 5 hp => spirit stone + boots => phage => mobility boots => rageblade + sell spirit stone for sightstone. From there, you can either tank out into locket and spirit visage or build triforce/gunblade for more damage. Don't be afraid to start ghosts/red instead of wolves/blue. You can catch a lot of people with their pants down doing this. Even if you fail to kill someone with a gank, it is still pretty easy to get blue alone with just CS, leap strike, and red buff. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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