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TL isn't a bunch of derps.
I honestly try and be as informative in my posts, especially in champion threads. All i've seen you do is "lol you wrong, you bad". Your fancy numbers aren't as accurate for this example anyways and really i'll just stop posting because all i get back is 3 lines how i'm wrong. The closest being the spreadsheet that compares a 4k gold investment to a 4,5k gold investment along with the fact that nobody actually broke down my posts and tried to argue with me. Like really, fuck you.
Also i don't have an issue of not being right, hell you can't be right everytime, but i do mind people just writing a short lined post where all i read is that i'm wrong, without arguing along the line some of the factors that i tried to elaborate on.
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On May 30 2012 08:03 Sponkz wrote:The closest being the spreadsheet that compares a 4k gold investment to a 4,5k gold investment
Allow me to interrupt your martyrdom for a moment to point out the following: - There is another row in that spreadsheet comparing a 3830g item to your 4070g item.
- The existence of a row comparing a 4495g item combination to your 4070g item does not invalidate or eliminate the existence of the 3830g row.
- It is possible, despite the gold disparity between these items, to draw meaningful conclusions from this spreadsheet.
- I did not mention the 4495g item combination in any of my comments following the spreadsheet, and specifically highlighted the 3830g item.
- I also did not highlight the 240g disparity between the 3830g item and your 4070g item, even though this is significant.
- The spreadsheet in question made numerous assumptions favorable to your item/idea, and even had an entire subsheet dedicated to the most absurdly impractical ideal scenario for your item.
My basic point here being, you have the unreasonable expectation that people will want to engage your points when you toss out other people's carefully crafted arguments over complete trivialities.
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On May 28 2012 09:17 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:21 brolaf wrote:On May 28 2012 06:17 phyvo wrote:The major point is that stacking AAs is never an option on anybody because the instant a mobility bruiser dives you you're dead On May 27 2012 19:44 brolaf wrote:On April 17 2012 23:50 cLutZ wrote:On April 17 2012 22:57 Sponkz wrote:On April 17 2012 21:17 JackDino wrote:
Thing with kog is, the mobility you get from pdancer is really good on him and W deals tons of damage by itself. So even if you dont go IE first, you'll still do tons of damage because of that W compared to other ADs. Just get a tri-force instead. Almost the same mobility+you deal damage. Really got upload some replays, it's so stupidly good. Tri-force is so expensive for such little gains. I'd Rather have the PD + $1225 which is almost a BF, could get you a pickaxe, etc. Triforce is efficient. With its stats AND its goodies. In fact its more efficient than PD if you use all its stats(like kog does) Unless you're *really* on the ball with getting every triforce proc without interrupting any auto attack Triforce is just as gold efficient for DPS as a PD. If you're not proccing at all (for instance you're OOM) you're really far behind. PD + BFS is just 400 more gold and does a lot more damage than Triforce. If your team needs more damage because they're behind or just lack DPS threats TF just isn't a good option on any AD, even Corki. pd is a specialist item. it doesnt add nearly as much dps by itself, it needs the other carry items to become good. I initially thought this was true until people last page made me take another look at my DPS spreadsheet. With just standard AD marks/quints PD + BFS has the same DPS/gold as IE, except you're getting your mobility/positioning ability much earlier. Show nested quote +triforce is universalist, it is a one stop shop for doing tons of damage. by itself, it does more damage than any item, This is completely untrue. Even if you procced PERFECTLY (that is every 2s without interrupting auto attacks with spells) IE and PD+BFS would do more damage and be more gold efficient. If you're actually human the gap widens significantly. If it weren't for the proc TF's damage would be complete garbage, which means that if you're low on mana or have high ult stacks you are hamstrung. Show nested quote + and offers more utility. its not just a meme, it is the truth. but its one shop stop makes it more of a metagolem part too . You get utility (250 HP/MP and phage proc) at the price of your DPS. It's not free. If your team needs damage you're only doing them a disservice by buying TF. If anyone should be buying DPS it's you, Kog Maw, a ranged carry with some of the highest range and some of the best DPS potential the game. I didn't say it was bad. I said it was stupid to buy when you're behind or when your team needs damage. I've heard from pros that you shouldn't buy TF under those circumstances even on Corki. EZ is a weird case and I haven't heard as much about him but in terms of his relationship to TF Kog is a lot more like Corki than he is like EZ.
I looked at this proggie here http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/tcgh7/dps_calculator_source_code_release/ and bt+zeal/ie+dagger both do far more dps per gold than pd+bf does. this is assuming 2 dorans and berserks. Looks like the pros were right after all.
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On May 30 2012 08:29 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 08:03 Sponkz wrote:The closest being the spreadsheet that compares a 4k gold investment to a 4,5k gold investment Allow me to interrupt your martyrdom for a moment to point out the following: - There is another row in that spreadsheet comparing a 3830g item to your 4070g item.
- The existence of a row comparing a 4495g item combination to your 4070g item does not invalidate or eliminate the existence of the 3830g row.
- It is possible, despite the gold disparity between these items, to draw meaningful conclusions from this spreadsheet.
- I did not mention the 4495g item combination in any of my comments following the spreadsheet, and specifically highlighted the 3830g item.
- I also did not highlight the 240g disparity between the 3830g item and your 4070g item, even though this is significant.
- The spreadsheet in question made numerous assumptions favorable to your item/idea, and even had an entire subsheet dedicated to the most absurdly impractical ideal scenario for your item.
My basic point here being, you have the unreasonable expectation that people will want to engage your points when you toss out other people's carefully crafted arguments over complete trivialities.
If you look at phyvo's post he's highlighting the fact that PD+BFS is an actually better purchase than a straight up IE, which made me compare it.
Also i thought this was a constructive discussion forum where you can try and discuss reasonable matters (i.e not ad zilean, tank ashe, hotshotggs penis etc.) and then have people reply arguing why they agree/disagree with one another. Although i think i stated enough times why i like the idea for solo Q, it doesn't suit your taste i guess.
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On May 30 2012 08:49 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 08:29 Seuss wrote:On May 30 2012 08:03 Sponkz wrote:The closest being the spreadsheet that compares a 4k gold investment to a 4,5k gold investment Allow me to interrupt your martyrdom for a moment to point out the following: - There is another row in that spreadsheet comparing a 3830g item to your 4070g item.
- The existence of a row comparing a 4495g item combination to your 4070g item does not invalidate or eliminate the existence of the 3830g row.
- It is possible, despite the gold disparity between these items, to draw meaningful conclusions from this spreadsheet.
- I did not mention the 4495g item combination in any of my comments following the spreadsheet, and specifically highlighted the 3830g item.
- I also did not highlight the 240g disparity between the 3830g item and your 4070g item, even though this is significant.
- The spreadsheet in question made numerous assumptions favorable to your item/idea, and even had an entire subsheet dedicated to the most absurdly impractical ideal scenario for your item.
My basic point here being, you have the unreasonable expectation that people will want to engage your points when you toss out other people's carefully crafted arguments over complete trivialities. If you look at phyvo's post he's highlighting the fact that PD+BFS is an actually better purchase than a straight up IE, which made me compare it. Also i thought this was a constructive discussion forum where you can try and discuss reasonable matters (i.e not ad zilean, tank ashe, hotshotggs penis etc.) and then have people reply arguing why they agree/disagree with one another. Although i think i stated enough times why i like the idea for solo Q, it doesn't suit your taste i guess.
though,again, that is not so. if you look at the program simulation that the reddit guys made, i dont think thats the case. Maybe if you really have just IE with 0 speed PD is better instead, but the way pros build it with 'zerkers and following up with zeal its not bad
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Is Kog' Maw capable of jungling effectively?
It's just a thought that occurred to me, as I've been thinking about playing Kog as my main for some time now.
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On July 03 2012 22:27 Praetorial wrote:
Is Kog' Maw capable of jungling effectively?
It's just a thought that occurred to me, as I've been thinking about playing Kog as my main for some time now.
you can clear the jungle, but you can't gank
and you don't clear quickly
and you don't get much farm (compared to a solo lane or duo bot lane)
so... i wouldn't
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On July 03 2012 22:27 Praetorial wrote:
Is Kog' Maw capable of jungling effectively?
It's just a thought that occurred to me, as I've been thinking about playing Kog as my main for some time now.
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He's your ad carry not much else unless you like to troll and play as ap kog
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How in the world is AP Kog "troll".
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On July 04 2012 12:32 koreasilver wrote:
How in the world is AP Kog "troll".
IDK.
AP Kog kills some mids, and fends off some others for better lategame.
Bizzare that its now Troll. Kog is better at AD than AP, but the AP trickeration is also quite good.
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To be completely honest, after I started playing AP Kog I've started to think he's actually stronger AP than AD. But they're hitting his ult really hard so it probably won't be the same after the upcoming patch.
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Hello
Can anyone help me with itemization on AD Kog. I am completely new to this hero, so any tips are welcome 
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On July 12 2012 06:27 Navern wrote:Hello Can anyone help me with itemization on AD Kog. I am completely new to this hero, so any tips are welcome
Zerkers 2 Dorans IE PD LW BT GA
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Hey guys, this week i played a game as sivir vs Kog'Maw, having soraka with me vs Nunu on the other side. Felt pretty boss about picking sivir, as they had a karthus as well, so my thoughts were that i would be able to harass like a boss and limitthe usefulness of nunu in the lane to giving an as steroid that couldn't be used because kog should never have the hp to engage me for more than one auto. Worked pretty well at start, i was able tu bully the kog, after about 15 minutes i had 120 cs to his 80. There had not been any deaths on the lane, items were zerkers + 2 dorans+ scepter + bfs for me, zerkers + 2 dorans + scepter + zeal for him. And then he just plain killed me. I engaged on him thinking i had the advantage, used all my spells (r for the whole fight), used heal and got killed while he lost about half his life. He didn't dodge my q or anything, he just autoattacked me with his w up. So, was my fault to pick sivir, or is he really that absurdly strong?
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Kog has arguably the best scaling into late game.
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He didn't dodge my q or anything, he just autoattacked me with his w up. So, was my fault to pick sivir, or is he really that absurdly strong?
Duelling with Kogmaw is always really hard he has his "god phase" with his w on and his "derp phase" beeing close to completly useless without the w. Should add aswell that Sivir as a single champion is the worst AD there is (her ultimate gives some utility which you have to consider but dps/range is really low)
Kog has arguably the best scaling into late game.
Nope The general thought is that Trist has the best lategame. Kogmaw is like Vayne a champion which scales pretty well without too many items
Zerkers 2 Dorans IE PD LW BT GA
If you dont have a Nunu in the team I would suggest getting a PD over LW anyday
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Whoa, people don't usually go IE first?
Also my generic ad carry build ends with double pd (ms nerf hurts but still can replace boots), ie, bt, lw/bc (99% of the time it's lw), defensive item (qss/veil/ga/FoN for lulz)
Kog's lategame is pretty much as good as trist, since he has about the same range, more damage, a linear slow, and similar AS at the expensive of mobility and displacement ability. Of course, the real tradeoff comes from not having trist's early game, but also not having trist's godawful midgame.
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Whoa, people don't usually go IE first? The standart is PD first on kogmaw ( I only go IE first when I have nunu support
(ms nerf hurts but still can replace boots),
I would suggest you never sell your boots (with tripple PD it might be doable but I dont know how much ms you will lose) with double PD instead of PD/boots you lose around 50 ms which is really huge esp on an AD carry like Kogmaw
Kog's lategame is pretty much as good as trist, since he has about the same range, more damage, a linear slow, and similar AS at the expensive of mobility and displacement ability. Of course, the real tradeoff comes from not having trist's early game, but also not having trist's godawful midgame.
Yes Kogmaw has way more damage than trist but the lack of constatly high range is the tradeoff beeing half useless 50% of the time is really big. I dont want to say that tristana> kogmaw as you said tristanas midgame is awefull and I would say in general Kogmaw is the better pick but Tristanas lategame is just better  (the range is too strong)
Edit: for the LW vs PD calculation the cutoff when LW > PD onkogmaw with w up is around 400 armor add the better kiteability with the movementspeed and AS + the huge amount of AS slows (frozenheart Randuins etc) and more and more armor reductions from teammates I think PD is just reallly fucking good
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I can't be the only person that think PD first on Kog is retarded :/
Kog has arguably the best scaling into late game.
Nope The general thought is that Trist has the best lategame. Kogmaw is like Vayne a champion which scales pretty well without too many items
Also......... what the fuck? rofl. Yeah they only need like 10K gold worth of items not too many for sure.
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On July 17 2012 14:19 Bladeorade wrote:I can't be the only person that think PD first on Kog is retarded :/ Show nested quote +Kog has arguably the best scaling into late game.
Nope The general thought is that Trist has the best lategame. Kogmaw is like Vayne a champion which scales pretty well without too many items Also......... what the fuck? rofl. Yeah they only need like 10K gold worth of items not too many for sure.
Kog really really wants the mobility from PD since he has no real escape outside his slow. If you max W he has a pretty smooth damage progression into the mid-late game even when you rush PD.
To build on what I said earlier, Kog, and Vayne to a certain extent, can do pretty hefty amounts of damage without many items due to their abilities. Kog's W giving him bonus 8% max hp damage is pretty nice in the mid-game when people don't have that much mr. Vayne's true damage from silver bolts helps in a similar manner, but most of the times you won't be maxing silver bolts first. By the time it's maxed you should've already completed a BF sword item and a good chunk of your damage is probably from your items.
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