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On June 24 2011 11:44 r.Evo wrote:
103 HP/5 with Philo, Full Warmogs and FoN is boss, especially if you consider how much effective HP that is.
To put it into perspective, that's the same healthregen someone with Baron buff and 3500 total HP gets.
Champions like Jarvan (similar to old renek and, to some extent, Irelia) are all about creating the issue of
a) Focus him. Die to team. Trollolol.
b) Ignore him. Get penta'd by him while you chase their squishies around his trollolol CC.
Healthregen helps so much there because no one will really try to burst you down cause it's kinda retarded, however, you're going to eat all the random AoE stuff and skillshots thrown around.
and that's not even counting FoN's passive unique.
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On June 24 2011 11:56 Phrost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 11:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
I just played a couple games of Jarvan, and that philo nerf is really noticeable. Gotta be really conservative with mana now. You dont really even need to spam his skills, i picked him up after the philo nerf and if you dont use them unless you need to he's fine. I don't even use mana regen runes
This is true, but it's noticeable if you want to be aggressive in lane. With double philo you could spam your Q and EQ combo all day and rely on your regen to wear down the other laner until a gank came or you could get enough burst from EQR + autoattacks to kill them.
That's not to say it's bad now, you just can't trololol Q spam to harass your opponent out of lane, you have to pick your spots and be more effective with your mana.
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Roaming Jarvan viable lower ELO. Great ganks early lvl, and can kill a tower by the time the enemy respawns with the help of flag. Last game, got both top towers down and the mid tower before 11 min mark.
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Few Jarman questions? What's the 21/0/9 build for laning? Do you take Archaic Knowledge? I know it only affecs E and passive but it doesn't seem like minion damage or aspd are too gud on lane Jarman either.
Also, do you still run Atmogs on Junglejarman? I mean as Junglejarman your main goal is to be tanky but you won't get that much farm to make Atmogs useful I think.
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typically warmogs isnt very good on junglers due to the fact that you simply wont be able to farm the stats up very quickly (unless you're mordekaiser or yi). On jungling i would opt for bruta into sunfire+bveil route instead.
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Well Warmog's gains 10% stacks on every kill or assist now, filling up a warmog's is easier than not running out of mana on Vlad
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On June 25 2011 03:07 LancerStarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2011 11:56 Phrost wrote:On June 24 2011 11:52 Chairman Ray wrote:
I just played a couple games of Jarvan, and that philo nerf is really noticeable. Gotta be really conservative with mana now. You dont really even need to spam his skills, i picked him up after the philo nerf and if you dont use them unless you need to he's fine. I don't even use mana regen runes This is true, but it's noticeable if you want to be aggressive in lane. With double philo you could spam your Q and EQ combo all day and rely on your regen to wear down the other laner until a gank came or you could get enough burst from EQR + autoattacks to kill them. That's not to say it's bad now, you just can't trololol Q spam to harass your opponent out of lane, you have to pick your spots and be more effective with your mana.
You can still kill people with QER, i do it all the time. You just cant spam.
I go 1 philo stone, boots, brutalizer, mogs, then either atma or negatron depending on how much my shit is getting pushed in
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By the way are you supossed to like micro with his passive in the jungle? Because I get real low (< 200 hp) on my first clear.
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On June 27 2011 04:01 barbsq wrote:
typically warmogs isnt very good on junglers due to the fact that you simply wont be able to farm the stats up very quickly (unless you're mordekaiser or yi). On jungling i would opt for bruta into sunfire+bveil route instead.
Honestly I feel that warmogs fills up quickly on any jungler that does some kind of AoE. Noc, Jarman, Olaf, Yi. Even trundle is fine. It usually takes 2-3 teamfights for it to be completely stacked but that should be enough if you add in some random creepkills here and there.
Don't be that I GOT WARMOGS NOW IMA FARM CREEPWAVES OFF MAH CARRY-guy.
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On June 27 2011 09:20 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 04:01 barbsq wrote:
typically warmogs isnt very good on junglers due to the fact that you simply wont be able to farm the stats up very quickly (unless you're mordekaiser or yi). On jungling i would opt for bruta into sunfire+bveil route instead. Honestly I feel that warmogs fills up quickly on any jungler that does some kind of AoE. Noc, Jarman, Olaf, Yi. Even trundle is fine. It usually takes 2-3 teamfights for it to be completely stacked but that should be enough if you add in some random creepkills here and there. Don't be that I GOT WARMOGS NOW IMA FARM CREEPWAVES OFF MAH CARRY-guy.
Jarman has 2(if you count knockup 3) AOE and he has easy ways to land all 3! If you go warmogs teamfight and collect your free charges!
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also if the killer is in the range of your E's aura, you get an assist, making it even easier to wrack up assists in teamfights.
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I'm looking at picking Jarvan up - he looks like an incredibly versatile champ based on pro games and this thread....
You guys build him as pure tank or tanky dps?
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On June 28 2011 01:16 rwrzr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 09:20 r.Evo wrote:On June 27 2011 04:01 barbsq wrote:
typically warmogs isnt very good on junglers due to the fact that you simply wont be able to farm the stats up very quickly (unless you're mordekaiser or yi). On jungling i would opt for bruta into sunfire+bveil route instead. Honestly I feel that warmogs fills up quickly on any jungler that does some kind of AoE. Noc, Jarman, Olaf, Yi. Even trundle is fine. It usually takes 2-3 teamfights for it to be completely stacked but that should be enough if you add in some random creepkills here and there. Don't be that I GOT WARMOGS NOW IMA FARM CREEPWAVES OFF MAH CARRY-guy. Jarman has 2(if you count knockup 3) AOE and he has easy ways to land all 3! If you go warmogs teamfight and collect your free charges!
to be honest i find hitting moving targets with the flag iffy at times
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On June 27 2011 09:20 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 04:01 barbsq wrote:
typically warmogs isnt very good on junglers due to the fact that you simply wont be able to farm the stats up very quickly (unless you're mordekaiser or yi). On jungling i would opt for bruta into sunfire+bveil route instead. Honestly I feel that warmogs fills up quickly on any jungler that does some kind of AoE. Noc, Jarman, Olaf, Yi. Even trundle is fine. It usually takes 2-3 teamfights for it to be completely stacked but that should be enough if you add in some random creepkills here and there. Don't be that I GOT WARMOGS NOW IMA FARM CREEPWAVES OFF MAH CARRY-guy.
Doesn't matter if it fills slowly, its far more efficient than both sunfire and bveil. Warmogs+Atmas is cheaper and much better than sunfire+bveil even before you charge up warmogs.
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anyone jungle with jarman like the eu guys do?
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I jungle more offensively because I feel more comfortable hitting my levels in a reasonable timeframe rather than focusing on early roaming. I've tried the EU style jungling and I just feel so gimped if none of my early ganks result in kills, but it might have to do with less reliable teammates in solo queue.
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On June 28 2011 04:33 Mogwai wrote:
I jungle more offensively because I feel more comfortable hitting my levels in a reasonable timeframe rather than focusing on early roaming. I've tried the EU style jungling and I just feel so gimped if none of my early ganks result in kills, but it might have to do with less reliable teammates in solo queue.
do you start at blue? is a leash necessary after the nerf? thx
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both styles can start blue without a leash, but they both benefit greatly from getting a leash so get a fucking leash because it doesn't do your laner any harm.
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so what's the difference between US vs EU jarman jungle? sorry i haven't seen a lot jarman jungle from US steams...
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There's a first post for a reason. I like my jungling there. EU style is a fuckton of armor on your runepage with 0/21/9 and regrowth pendant opening -> PhiloHoG before wriggles.
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