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On May 08 2012 03:33 Woony wrote:
there's like two people playing Lux at high elo (elementz and chu8). they both play her like a burst caster earlygame and then obviously abuse her ult poke later on.
as far as I can remember they both go boots 3pots -> 2-3 dorans -> sorc -> deathcap -> voidstaff -> lichbane
mejai's is not a bad buy, you can easily rack up a lot of assists as lux and if you die in a teamfight you're doing it wrong. bluebuff should take care of your CDR as well as manaproblem.
and yeah, she's fun to play (dat ult) but she just get's outclassed so hard by morgana and orianna. and then all her shit is skillshots and high CD, you miss something and you're fucked. IMO they need to remake her E. just compare it to morg/orianna shield and it's not even fair. she's supposed to be an utility caster and she has this gimmicky shield without any utitily.
Morgana's shield doesn't stop physical damage. Orianna's shield only affects one target and gives resistances. Lux's shield is also on W, not E, but that's not really part of your argument so I'll just move on. Lux's shield can affect more than one target AND affects herself, and the shield refreshes itself after about a second, so you can have potentially double the damage absorption. Stop acting like they're trying to do the exact same thing. Their kits do different things, you can't (for the most part) say that objectively "X champion is better than Y champion," you can say "X champion is better than Y champion at Z"
Besides, how cool is a skillshot shield? Some guy's about to die from a DoT or a skillshot he can't possibly dodge, but out of nowhere this friggin dumb bubble thing comes flying out of nowhere and saves his sorry ass. That's a feeling of badassery that can occur quite often while playing Lux.
Of course, there's always the cases of things being actually broken and poor game design, but I honestly think that there isn't anywhere close to as much of that as people seem to think there is.
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I actually think with the new Morello's, Lux should go Boots -> 2 Doran -> Lucky Pick -> Sorc Boots -> DCap -> Morello's -> Void Staff. When against Vlad, go Morello's before DCap.
On May 08 2012 03:54 noggnoskill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 03:33 Woony wrote:
there's like two people playing Lux at high elo (elementz and chu8). they both play her like a burst caster earlygame and then obviously abuse her ult poke later on.
as far as I can remember they both go boots 3pots -> 2-3 dorans -> sorc -> deathcap -> voidstaff -> lichbane
mejai's is not a bad buy, you can easily rack up a lot of assists as lux and if you die in a teamfight you're doing it wrong. bluebuff should take care of your CDR as well as manaproblem.
and yeah, she's fun to play (dat ult) but she just get's outclassed so hard by morgana and orianna. and then all her shit is skillshots and high CD, you miss something and you're fucked. IMO they need to remake her E. just compare it to morg/orianna shield and it's not even fair. she's supposed to be an utility caster and she has this gimmicky shield without any utitily. Morgana's shield doesn't stop physical damage. Orianna's shield only affects one target and gives resistances. Lux's shield is also on W, not E, but that's not really part of your argument so I'll just move on. Lux's shield can affect more than one target AND affects herself, and the shield refreshes itself after about a second, so you can have potentially double the damage absorption. Stop acting like they're trying to do the exact same thing. Their kits do different things, you can't (for the most part) say that objectively "X champion is better than Y champion," you can say "X champion is better than Y champion at Z" Besides, how cool is a skillshot shield? Some guy's about to die from a DoT or a skillshot he can't possibly dodge, but out of nowhere this friggin dumb bubble thing comes flying out of nowhere and saves his sorry ass. That's a feeling of badassery that can occur quite often while playing Lux. Of course, there's always the cases of things being actually broken and poor game design, but I honestly think that there isn't anywhere close to as much of that as people seem to think there is.
That's actually an interesting point. I think her skills are misplaced. Most champions have shields on E, not on W. For example, Annie has a single target Q, an aoe W, a shield E, and an ult, which is about the same setup as Lux's (Q "single target", E aoe, W shield). Sometimes I find it pretty hard to adjust after playing some Lux then go to Annie.
The same setup allies to:
- Morgana
- Orianna
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Nope, Morello's is still awful unless you need the healing debuff. If you need the CDR, DFG is still a better option, and it's INCREDIBLY strong now.
You generally won't be in range to use either active, but if you are, DFG's is considerably more potent. They either need to nerf the CDR on DFG or give Morello's some more AP to make Morello's worth buying on anyone as a standard item. The 5% extra CDR is 80% worthless unless you are never going to be getting blue buff, in which case you NEED to get a RoA early due to her high mana costs, and getting a Morello's at that point will just set you back on your Dcap, which you will often need to do relevant damage at that point.
If you want to buy it, then by all means buy it. It's just not optimal.
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On May 08 2012 03:54 noggnoskill wrote:
Stop acting like they're trying to do the exact same thing. Their kits do different things, you can't (for the most part) say that objectively "X champion is better than Y champion," you can say "X champion is better than Y champion at Z"
I'm not, I'm saying that overall her shield is worse than Morgana's or Oriannas, which is something you can say even if they do different things. It doesn't provide any utility like the others do and is good in very few situations (when are you ever going to shield your whole team for 2x shield value) and on top of that it's a skillshot.
On May 08 2012 03:54 noggnoskill wrote:
Besides, how cool is a skillshot shield? Some guy's about to die from a DoT or a skillshot he can't possibly dodge, but out of nowhere this friggin dumb bubble thing comes flying out of nowhere and saves his sorry ass.
Yeah, or you miss (which happens really easy because it's awkward to land and not really fast) and you feel like shit. It's not even like her shield has some awesome tradeoff for being a skillshot. Even if you land it perfectly it doesn't do anything amazing.
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Lux is a very situational caster. Like said above Morgana will own her mid all day. But other champs like Brand, Annie, Ryze all can get owned by a good lux (in Brands case it's pretty damn even). But I wouldn't buy morellos nor would I buy lucidity boots. Because if I play her I'm AP mid I go flash/ignite sometimes flash/cv, sorc boots, the double dorans into dcap is great or a Mejais like said can be good with great positioning (though I rarely rely on that unless pub stomping). Rod of Ages is always a spectacular item too. But with Lux it isn't needed as much as explained by her really long range. I used to go archangel staff way back but now I will either go double doran dcap or RoA.
Like most people said though. Lux is outclassed by other champions and is mainly a pub stomper.
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Her shield isn't what makes her weak, it's actually better than both morganas and oriannas in lategame. At max effect, you can essentially shield all 4 of your allies two times, and maxed with a couple of hundred ap, it's not that bad anymore. Just requires a lot of timing to be optimal. But her other spells fall off, because she relies on one burst kill in teamfights cause of her long cooldowns. You'll be forced to waste them to keep tanks away doing minimal damage and then run around looking silly for 6 seconds. But most aps fall off in lategame, not just lux so not sure if she's worse than many others.
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Sort of a necro, but with the recent mana buffs to Lux, how does she stack up now? At the time of most guides/post about Lux mana was a pretty big issue, It's left me wondering how to min/max items and runes with the recent changes.
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On July 17 2012 04:38 darkscream wrote:
Sort of a necro, but with the recent mana buffs to Lux, how does she stack up now? At the time of most guides/post about Lux mana was a pretty big issue, It's left me wondering how to min/max items and runes with the recent changes.
Meh, I run flat mp5 yellows and get 2 Drings and have no mana troubles if im not spamming. If you aren't getting blues then you should consider Athenes, but you should be getting blues.
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Anyone run Lux support? I've been playing Lux+MF bot for a couple of games and the early game really defines the rest of the game. usually (not always) we turn enemy team AD to a mewling kitten, hiding in bushes, afraid to cs.
I don't have a good item build for support Lux however and I'd appreciate any insight. Do I go gp/5 into aura/shurelia's or do I go AP/CDR for more damage? I don't have much in the way of support spells, but initiation and poke is great.
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On September 06 2012 00:29 Cuddle wrote:
Anyone run Lux support? I've been playing Lux+MF bot for a couple of games and the early game really defines the rest of the game. usually (not always) we turn enemy team AD to a mewling kitten, hiding in bushes, afraid to cs.
I don't have a good item build for support Lux however and I'd appreciate any insight. Do I go gp/5 into aura/shurelia's or do I go AP/CDR for more damage? I don't have much in the way of support spells, but initiation and poke is great.
I assume you build her like Sona/Lulu and ***play similarly to them in lane. But honestly her pokes' CD are way too long and way too costly and her base damage is only high if you also land an auto. Her ultimate brings only damage and nothing else. IMHO it's not worth playing.
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On September 06 2012 00:34 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 00:29 Cuddle wrote:
Anyone run Lux support? I've been playing Lux+MF bot for a couple of games and the early game really defines the rest of the game. usually (not always) we turn enemy team AD to a mewling kitten, hiding in bushes, afraid to cs.
I don't have a good item build for support Lux however and I'd appreciate any insight. Do I go gp/5 into aura/shurelia's or do I go AP/CDR for more damage? I don't have much in the way of support spells, but initiation and poke is great. I assume you build her like Sona/Lulu and like similarly to them in lane. But honestly her pokes' CD are way too long and way too costly and her base damage is only high if you also land an auto. Her ultimate brings only damage and nothing else. IMHO it's not worth playing.
Most of the ones I've seen do build her like Sona/Lulu and she's really good paired with Ez/Corki who provide good burst while also not need to rely on their supports as much for peeling. A Lux/Ezreal ult combo is deadly throughout the game and is extremely great poke the more damage you can cram onto them. Lux is super weak to kill lanes however and doesn't have escapes or even survive Blitz/Leona lanes if she's initiated upon.
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I don't really understand the point of support Lux... your shield is awesome late game if you get at the right moment in 4/5 of your teammates, but during laning is barely useful. You also miss out on the farm fest with your E, you won't be able to tank anything and late game your ult will only tickle the enemy.
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On September 06 2012 10:00 CrimsonLotus wrote:
I don't really understand the point of support Lux... your shield is awesome late game if you get at the right moment in 4/5 of your teammates, but during laning is barely useful. You also miss out on the farm fest with your E, you won't be able to tank anything and late game your ult will only tickle the enemy.
During the laning phase you mostly rely on your Q and your base damage from spells + passive.
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On September 06 2012 11:33 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 10:00 CrimsonLotus wrote:
I don't really understand the point of support Lux... your shield is awesome late game if you get at the right moment in 4/5 of your teammates, but during laning is barely useful. You also miss out on the farm fest with your E, you won't be able to tank anything and late game your ult will only tickle the enemy. During the laning phase you mostly rely on your Q and your base damage from spells + passive.
How are you landing her Q consistently during the laning phase?, it's her hardest skillshot to land unless you're super agressive and Lux isn't exactly made for the front line.
I still don't understand, with Lux support by mid/late game you end up with a champion that can't tank, doesn't do any significant damage in team fights and only has ok utility provided you land all your skillshots in the right way. Just about every other support would be much better. Maybe if she had her original OP W she could be a viable support, but not with the way she is now.
AP mid Lux is somewhat underpowered too but at least she's insanely fun to play.
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On September 06 2012 12:18 CrimsonLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 11:33 Sufficiency wrote:On September 06 2012 10:00 CrimsonLotus wrote:
I don't really understand the point of support Lux... your shield is awesome late game if you get at the right moment in 4/5 of your teammates, but during laning is barely useful. You also miss out on the farm fest with your E, you won't be able to tank anything and late game your ult will only tickle the enemy. During the laning phase you mostly rely on your Q and your base damage from spells + passive. How are you landing her Q consistently during the laning phase?, it's her hardest skillshot to land unless you're super agressive and Lux isn't exactly made for the front line. I still don't understand, with Lux support by mid/late game you end up with a champion that can't tank, doesn't do any significant damage in team fights and only has ok utility provided you land all your skillshots in the right way. Just about every other support would be much better. Maybe if she had her original OP W she could be a viable support, but not with the way she is now. AP mid Lux is somewhat underpowered too but at least she's insanely fun to play.
I don't play Lux support but you can operate on the same principle as other skillshots (e.g. Leona). Otherwise I feel that Lux support is pretty bad, like you said.
AP mid Lux is high-risk low-reward.
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On September 06 2012 13:18 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 12:18 CrimsonLotus wrote:On September 06 2012 11:33 Sufficiency wrote:On September 06 2012 10:00 CrimsonLotus wrote:
I don't really understand the point of support Lux... your shield is awesome late game if you get at the right moment in 4/5 of your teammates, but during laning is barely useful. You also miss out on the farm fest with your E, you won't be able to tank anything and late game your ult will only tickle the enemy. During the laning phase you mostly rely on your Q and your base damage from spells + passive. How are you landing her Q consistently during the laning phase?, it's her hardest skillshot to land unless you're super agressive and Lux isn't exactly made for the front line. I still don't understand, with Lux support by mid/late game you end up with a champion that can't tank, doesn't do any significant damage in team fights and only has ok utility provided you land all your skillshots in the right way. Just about every other support would be much better. Maybe if she had her original OP W she could be a viable support, but not with the way she is now. AP mid Lux is somewhat underpowered too but at least she's insanely fun to play. I don't play Lux support but you can operate on the same principle as other skillshots (e.g. Leona). Otherwise I feel that Lux support is pretty bad, like you said. AP mid Lux is high-risk low-reward.
Still think the most fun I've ever had in league in 5 seconds was chunking an entire team for 70% of their life in the jungle as Lux.
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On September 06 2012 13:18 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 12:18 CrimsonLotus wrote:On September 06 2012 11:33 Sufficiency wrote:On September 06 2012 10:00 CrimsonLotus wrote:
I don't really understand the point of support Lux... your shield is awesome late game if you get at the right moment in 4/5 of your teammates, but during laning is barely useful. You also miss out on the farm fest with your E, you won't be able to tank anything and late game your ult will only tickle the enemy. During the laning phase you mostly rely on your Q and your base damage from spells + passive. How are you landing her Q consistently during the laning phase?, it's her hardest skillshot to land unless you're super agressive and Lux isn't exactly made for the front line. I still don't understand, with Lux support by mid/late game you end up with a champion that can't tank, doesn't do any significant damage in team fights and only has ok utility provided you land all your skillshots in the right way. Just about every other support would be much better. Maybe if she had her original OP W she could be a viable support, but not with the way she is now. AP mid Lux is somewhat underpowered too but at least she's insanely fun to play. I don't play Lux support but you can operate on the same principle as other skillshots (e.g. Leona). Otherwise I feel that Lux support is pretty bad, like you said. AP mid Lux is high-risk low-reward.
AP mid Lux is not high risk low reward?
Lux is not easy to gank (double snare + shield + she can 1 shot people,) Lux has that threat of a one hit if she lands snare. She can farm pretty easily, she has a strong roam.
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On September 06 2012 10:00 CrimsonLotus wrote:
I don't really understand the point of support Lux... your shield is awesome late game if you get at the right moment in 4/5 of your teammates, but during laning is barely useful. You also miss out on the farm fest with your E, you won't be able to tank anything and late game your ult will only tickle the enemy.
support lux is a real terror
support lux + vayne >>>> graves + taric
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Lux is quickly becoming one of my mains now. I've been running clarity seals and the rest all magic pen runes to make her fierce early game with her spells/passive. I've been rushing sorc boots right away too. Currently on a 9 game win streak in ranked with her.
As far as support lux goes...
Its fun but if you don't end up dominating ur bot lane and securing several kills for your adc then she is almost useless late game. Not much damage and she is pretty much glass.
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On September 06 2012 13:39 Bladeorade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 13:18 Sufficiency wrote:On September 06 2012 12:18 CrimsonLotus wrote:On September 06 2012 11:33 Sufficiency wrote:On September 06 2012 10:00 CrimsonLotus wrote:
I don't really understand the point of support Lux... your shield is awesome late game if you get at the right moment in 4/5 of your teammates, but during laning is barely useful. You also miss out on the farm fest with your E, you won't be able to tank anything and late game your ult will only tickle the enemy. During the laning phase you mostly rely on your Q and your base damage from spells + passive. How are you landing her Q consistently during the laning phase?, it's her hardest skillshot to land unless you're super agressive and Lux isn't exactly made for the front line. I still don't understand, with Lux support by mid/late game you end up with a champion that can't tank, doesn't do any significant damage in team fights and only has ok utility provided you land all your skillshots in the right way. Just about every other support would be much better. Maybe if she had her original OP W she could be a viable support, but not with the way she is now. AP mid Lux is somewhat underpowered too but at least she's insanely fun to play. I don't play Lux support but you can operate on the same principle as other skillshots (e.g. Leona). Otherwise I feel that Lux support is pretty bad, like you said. AP mid Lux is high-risk low-reward. AP mid Lux is not high risk low reward? Lux is not easy to gank (double snare + shield + she can 1 shot people,) Lux has that threat of a one hit if she lands snare. She can farm pretty easily, she has a strong roam.
Lux is just as easy to gank as most other mids. So long as her lane opponent try to initiate and bait out her Q, she is basically defenseless. Her shield is a non-issue.
Her farm has problems. Before you get NLR + Blasting ward you can't one shot the caster minion wave. Unlike Twisted Fate's Q, Lux's E has 20 less base at rank 5 and 0.05 less ratio (plus TF has another AOE spell with red card). Often you have to pre or post-auto the minions after an E, and a lot of mid laners can easily punish you for that.
At the end of the day, you are playing Lux because of her semi-global ult with low CD. But you could have easily just played Karthus, Twisted Fate, or even Ziggs, who are arguably much safer than Lux in lane AND have stronger late game.
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