EPT[Champion] Lux - Page 7
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
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CarlMikael
Sweden1043 Posts
It would be pretty cool to see how viable it would be. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 07 2012 18:31 CarlMikael wrote: Have anyone considered playing AD Lux ? (for non competitive play obviously). It would be pretty cool to see how viable it would be. When you want to play an AP as ADC you need to also look at the AP champion's base health, health per level, and more importantly base attack speed and attack speed per level. Lux has very low base health (her health per lvl is OK), base attack speed, and attack speed per level. So basically you need to be fed a LOT more than a conventional ADC to be on-par in power. | ||
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CarlMikael
Sweden1043 Posts
On September 07 2012 19:10 Sufficiency wrote: When you want to play an AP as ADC you need to also look at the AP champion's base health, health per level, and more importantly base attack speed and attack speed per level. Lux has very low base health (her health per lvl is OK), base attack speed, and attack speed per level. So basically you need to be fed a LOT more than a conventional ADC to be on-par in power. Thanks for the answer!  | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On September 07 2012 18:31 CarlMikael wrote: Have anyone considered playing AD Lux ? (for non competitive play obviously). It would be pretty cool to see how viable it would be. Sounds like a job for counter bruiser bruiser lux. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 07 2012 20:52 Gahlo wrote: Sounds like a job for counter bruiser bruiser lux. counter bruiser bruiser lux too stronk. nerf plz. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
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+ Show Spoiler + Alright a question from me then. How does Lux fair in various matchups mid lane and what are you supposed to do? Not very good with mid lane in general so can't figure it out myself. Her autos also seem low damage to hard to cs without taking harass, but using spells to get passive procs off seems mana intensive. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On September 07 2012 21:04 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: For those who don't get the reference: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPDTzqxDUNg Alright a question from me then. How does Lux fair in various matchups mid lane and what are you supposed to do? Not very good with mid lane in general so can't figure it out myself. Her autos also seem low damage to hard to cs without taking harass, but using spells to get passive procs off seems mana intensive. Which ones? Against Ahri, Kassadin, Akali, LeBlanc, and Katarina, IMHO Lux won't win. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On September 07 2012 22:47 Sufficiency wrote: Which ones? Against Ahri, Kassadin, Akali, LeBlanc, and Katarina, IMHO Lux won't win. Yeah, she definitely has a hard time against high mobility Champs. Also her high mana costs is one of the main reasons you don't see her in high level play. I suggest building Chalice of Harmony and ROA to help with that, and preferably have a jungler willing to donate Blue Buff. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On September 07 2012 22:55 onlywonderboy wrote: Yeah, she definitely has a hard time against high mobility Champs. Also her high mana costs is one of the main reasons you don't see her in high level play. I suggest building Chalice of Harmony and ROA to help with that, and preferably have a jungler willing to donate Blue Buff. I feel like just grail should be enough mana. The CDR puts you near the cap with blue, the mana is great on her (and should be enough to handle your usage - you're not exactly anivia with unlimited potential mana usage) - the RoA doesn't seem to work with the rest of what Lux wants - you don't dump huge amounts of mana in short times, you have high consistent mana usage. Also, you prefer to stay at long range, spending so much on survivability (MR from grail AND catalyst->ROA) doesn't make a lot of sense either. Lux autos are pretty decent, though. Auto damage isn't really lower than other AP carries, good range and responsiveness. Her problems arise from being skillshot-oriented with longer cooldowns on her standard skills - meaning that mobility really fucks with her. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On September 08 2012 00:02 sylverfyre wrote: I feel like just grail should be enough mana. The CDR puts you near the cap with blue, the mana is great on her (and should be enough to handle your usage - you're not exactly anivia with unlimited potential mana usage) - the RoA doesn't seem to work with the rest of what Lux wants - you don't dump huge amounts of mana in short times, you have high consistent mana usage. Also, you prefer to stay at long range, spending so much on survivability (MR from grail AND catalyst->ROA) doesn't make a lot of sense either. Lux autos are pretty decent, though. Auto damage isn't really lower than other AP carries, good range and responsiveness. Her problems arise from being skillshot-oriented with longer cooldowns on her standard skills - meaning that mobility really fucks with her. Yeah, you're right. It's more of an either or thing between Grail and ROA, my bad. Plus her AA damage gets a boost from her passive, which is nice. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6214 Posts
In ogn, one of the azubu teams played lux going grail first. One of the most awe-inspiring things was that lux's ultimate cooldown with grail+blue is so short that if you ward the enemy wraiths, you can pretty easily steal them away every time | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On September 08 2012 01:48 Lmui wrote: Lux's autoattack animation is so fast that I personally have a bit of a shock every time I play her, it's better than most AD carries get. In ogn, one of the azubu teams played lux going grail first. One of the most awe-inspiring things was that lux's ultimate cooldown with grail+blue is so short that if you ward the enemy wraiths, you can pretty easily steal them away every time I never thought of using it to take wraiths. Going to HAVE to do this now. XD | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On September 08 2012 03:38 Gahlo wrote: I never thought of using it to take wraiths. Going to HAVE to do this now. XD E+Laser oneshots wraiths pretty easily at most points in the game. You may have to auto the big wraith once, depending on your AP. | ||
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SaetZero
United States855 Posts
On September 07 2012 21:04 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: For those who don't get the reference: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPDTzqxDUNg Alright a question from me then. How does Lux fair in various matchups mid lane and what are you supposed to do? Not very good with mid lane in general so can't figure it out myself. Her autos also seem low damage to hard to cs without taking harass, but using spells to get passive procs off seems mana intensive. that video made me so sad  her auto attack is good for CS imo, even if the damage is low.. the animation makes since to me, a lot more than other AP champs (morgana, karthus), but it might be because i have been playing her as my main champion forever lol she is mana intensive, so my runepage for her as a lot of mana regen, and i usually open at least 1 doran ring just dont throw a spell unless you are reasonably sure it will hit (rather than hoping it will hit) (and to those wanting grail, just dont get it first. i tried that, and it was so bad lol) | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
Alot of the discussion about support lux seem to be focussing on her not having enough utility. Well her kit to me screams support: high base damage, low ap scaling (including cds), good cdr scaling. strong laneing and babysitting because of huge range, early damage and disables. 3/4 spells are utility spells. her strong ult and high base makes her one of the scariest roamers. good lategame utility because of long range vision spells and strong disables. easy to stack meja's to a costeffective+ level. good at clearing wards because of vision spells and disables. strong gank assist because of burst and disables. -> compare her to leona who also has 3/4 utility spells + a tank steroid instead of laser and scales because of the sheer amount of disables she has. | ||
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Ziken
Ghana1743 Posts
On October 09 2012 16:26 clickrush wrote: Who has a lot of experience as support lux here? I played a few games with her bot lane. I think she is very strong from brush. Alot of the discussion about support lux seem to be focussing on her not having enough utility. Well her kit to me screams support: high base damage, low ap scaling (including cds), good cdr scaling. strong laneing and babysitting because of huge range, early damage and disables. 3/4 spells are utility spells. her strong ult and high base makes her one of the scariest roamers. good lategame utility because of long range vision spells and strong disables. easy to stack meja's to a costeffective+ level. good at clearing wards because of vision spells and disables. strong gank assist because of burst and disables. -> compare her to leona who also has 3/4 utility spells + a tank steroid instead of laser and scales because of the sheer amount of disables she has. Ive played some support lux this past week, and though i play a lot of ap lux, anyways, I think support lux is really hit or miss depending on the matchup, the obvious problem being that you have no sustain and your shield isnt an insta cast like jannas, but if you have a champ can really burst them out, you can do really well. I have had decent success with graves and ez, ez since he can play safe and poke, and graves coz burst op, also i have done suprisingly well with vayne players although early game is really hard. I think she does have her place, but honestly if you are looking for an ap support zyra probably does more. lux's skillshots arent that hard to dodge. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On September 07 2012 21:04 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: For those who don't get the reference: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPDTzqxDUNg Alright a question from me then. How does Lux fair in various matchups mid lane and what are you supposed to do? Not very good with mid lane in general so can't figure it out myself. Her autos also seem low damage to hard to cs without taking harass, but using spells to get passive procs off seems mana intensive. Depending on the match up it is very true that you can take too much harass. So yes, you do have to know when to cede farm so that you don't get harassed down too low. With that said in most match ups you harass pretty well because E is so easy to land and has pretty high damage especially if you can get an auto proc in. Try to determine kind of early if it's a match up where you can force your opponent out of lane with E harass or if it's one where you need to conserve mana to farm/counter-push with E rather than harassing (although sometimes you can do both lolol). Chalice is really common. I run mp5/level yellows on lots of mids including Lux and I don't have horrific mana issues with her personally. As such, sometimes I skip chalice, if you're going to get blue frequently enough you can get away without buying it and honestly 1-2 dorans is still pretty strong on her. Grail is really good on her though because it gives you everything Lux wants but you can get away with skipping Chalice if you'd rather have higher burst earlier by going Dring. You'll probably just have to play it out a lot to learn the match ups. Biggest issue is that Lux is really unreliable in solo queue. Like, you're pretty good up for awhile but if your team doesn't get a huge lead from Lux's fantastic mid game it can be really hard to carry later on. She has no where near the impact of other APs during late game imo, she's not helpless or anything but if you don't land a good W her strength in a team fight feels a lot lower than other APs. Granted, if you pick Lux your team should probably be poking, sieging, and hopefully riding an earlier advantage obtained from when her burst was crazy in mid game. But in my solo queue experiences lots of teams don't seem to enjoy poking and want to team fight no matter what our comp is lol. On October 09 2012 16:26 clickrush wrote: Who has a lot of experience as support lux here? I played a few games with her bot lane. I think she is very strong from brush. Alot of the discussion about support lux seem to be focussing on her not having enough utility. Well her kit to me screams support: high base damage, low ap scaling (including cds), good cdr scaling. strong laneing and babysitting because of huge range, early damage and disables. 3/4 spells are utility spells. her strong ult and high base makes her one of the scariest roamers. good lategame utility because of long range vision spells and strong disables. easy to stack meja's to a costeffective+ level. good at clearing wards because of vision spells and disables. strong gank assist because of burst and disables. -> compare her to leona who also has 3/4 utility spells + a tank steroid instead of laser and scales because of the sheer amount of disables she has. Biggest problem with Lux support is that late game you don't do as much compared to other supports. Unless of course you can sneak some farm in and build some AP. You aren't going to be able to initiate fights/counter-initiate the way Blitz, Sona, Leona, Alistar, or Janna can. Not a huge issue though if you run like a Malphite top lane or Orianna mid lane or some other strong initiator somewhere else. But just like late game mid Lux you can have a ton of team fight presence if you actually manage to land a good W. 360+.7AP shield for all five members of the team is really strong, her W is just super unreliable though. In personal experience, which doesn't necessarily mean shit, support Lux is either a huge flop or it works amazingly. | ||
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