I'll have to try it I guess, but devoting 18 runes to mana regen seems a little much. I suppose there aren't that many essential alternatives for Ezreal.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

November 26 2011 07:16 GMT

#302

Armor/MR is nice, but I really like the mana regen. Q spam like a boss with no downside. Scaling feels better as well, flats for things like that always kinda suck.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

November 26 2011 13:57 GMT

#303

I tried the setup 21-0-9 and even tho I tend to run oom when I want to push w/o using my ult or after teamfights involving long poking, I feel like it's fine. Also, starting with sapphire for fast sheen (I know a brutalizer first's better dps wise, but I try to harass with Q only in lane phase to make use of the range and avoid retaliation) gives something like 600 mana at level 1, so it's hard to run OOM if you don't spam everytime it's on cd.

Ayush_SCtoss

India3051 Posts

November 27 2011 18:53 GMT

#304

So basically, my common build for Ez is Brutalizer, Sheen, BT, TF and then LW (Boots somewhere in there, and I will add a phage instead of sheen if I feel like it). Lately, I started trying the whole Wriggle's --> TF --> LW (or BT). Is it possible to include a brutalizer in between those items. Do you think it's worth it? Also in late game, is it recommended to sell wriggle's and buy some other items that has more dmg ouput, for example's sake, say another BT?

Divine-Sneaker

Denmark1225 Posts

November 27 2011 19:44 GMT

#305

After IEM in China I started doing Dorans/boots+3/4 depending on matchup.
Into brutalizer, sheen TF, LW, BT. Q's really fucking hurt early game/ midgame with brutalizer and sheen and I've come to like teamcomps where I can get some blues more often a lot. Ridiculous amounts of Q spam is just so amazing if you're good with skillshots.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

December 13 2011 21:02 GMT

#306

I've tried out Wriggles -> TF Ez a bit lately. It's not bad if you need sustain (enemy support is a sustainer, yours isn't). Also, the proc helps a bit since you don't really have a clearing AoE other than your ult. And, of course, Dragon control/ward/etc.

It's nice, but I don't know if it goes over a Bruta as a first item. Might depend on enemy comp.

Also, I've been trying first item -> Sheen -> BFS -> TF for more auto damage early on. It's also not bad if you have the farm to cover it, but it really makes me miss the utility of TF earlier on.

Craton

United States17293 Posts

December 13 2011 21:06 GMT

#307

I really feel like Wriggles is a bad item on Ezreal; I'd much rather just sit on a plain scepter if I want sustain. The stats from Wriggles just really aren't that useful in a lot of his typical lane situations compared to just putting the 1100 toward your bruta and tf.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

December 13 2011 21:10 GMT

#308

Yeah, I kind of got that as well. Just a thought, do you ever get DBlades on him? 2 + the lifesteal passive might act as a poor man's Wriggle's on the cheap.

That said, for straight damage in a normal lane situation, Bruta -> TF is far superior heading into mid/late game.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

January 15 2012 05:02 GMT

#309

I want to try it...

Ryrk

United States82 Posts

January 15 2012 06:36 GMT

#310

On December 14 2011 06:06 Craton wrote:
I really feel like Wriggles is a bad item on Ezreal; I'd much rather just sit on a plain scepter if I want sustain. The stats from Wriggles just really aren't that useful in a lot of his typical lane situations compared to just putting the 1100 toward your bruta and tf.

Wriggle's isn't a very good item on Ezreal, but I think you're giving it too much flak. the amount of Qs you can pump out for dragon really allows you to kill it ridiculously fast, and does provide a noticeable increase in damage during Barons. It still provides you with a ton of lane control as well, which is pretty important since your main job is to try and deny the enemy AD for as long as possible while hopefully your other teammates are able to do a lot of stuff with the jungler, and maybe even the support given how safe Ezreal is versus ganks.

I really just wish he didn't just roll over and die when he's against Vayne. She's so popular now...

Alzadar

Canada5009 Posts

January 18 2012 00:21 GMT

#311

Has anyone considered/experimented with leveling W over E, or even over Q? It sounds odd but the attack speed debuff + much easier harassment through the creep wave could be beneficial.

Gains per level
Mystic Shot
Mana cost +5
Cooldown -0.5
Damage +20

Essence Flux
Mana cost +10
Cooldown +0
Damage +50
Buff/debuff +5%

Arcane Shift
Mana cost +0
Cooldown -2
Damage +50

It doesn't seem very clear cut between E and W for me, and even Q isn't completely ahead. I'm definetely going to experiment with running QEWWWRWQW and QEQWQRQW...

starfries

Canada3508 Posts

January 18 2012 01:10 GMT

#312

My impression from playing AP Ezreal is that W is just too mana intensive in lane to be good for poking. It is useful though when you commit to a trade by jumping in, in which case it gives you an extra charge on your passive as well as the debuff.

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

January 18 2012 01:21 GMT

#313

i thought the standard ezreal skilling was along the lines of r>q>w>e with a level or two in e early on, kus all you really get is reduced cooldown, which also comes with hitting q's, which actually makes the cd deceptively shorter.

ultimatenewb

19 Posts

January 18 2012 02:18 GMT

#314

ez still too underpowered for me =(

R11

Canada213 Posts

January 18 2012 02:42 GMT

#315

I first played ezreal as my main AD but stopped for a bit to try out other ADs. I feel the new heal summoner really contributed to making ez seem weak (I've seen more soraka supports making his q poke weaker through constant healing and giving the enemy AD carry a spamable AOE skill in contrast to your single target skill shot). Ezreal's burst just isn't strong enough in a dual lane to match that of Corkie, Sivir or Graves and its difficult to burn off enemy heal summoner in contrast to other AD champions.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

January 18 2012 04:06 GMT

#316

I'm starting to consider just a straight AD build. Like, no Sheen, no TF, just straight into BF items with maybe a Bruta or something. I keep looking at his kit. 1.0 AD scaling on Q and R, pretty good base AD and AD scaling (actually better than Cait or Trist), a free steroid, etc. You don't even need a Zeal or anything like that, since you have a 50% AS steroid for shooting stuff.

I keep trying to build him like an AD caster, but his autos with AD (and ability scaling) are fucking insane. What does late game Cait bring that he doesn't? Traps, and lower damage with only her passive to try and catch up.

Anyway, just spewing thoughts, I'll let you know how it goes.

rayvah

40 Posts

January 31 2012 20:37 GMT

#317

And a ton of range, Seriously I started Corki the other day and can't bring myself to play Ezreal over him if I want to win, he's so much better in every aspect :/

Craton

United States17293 Posts

January 31 2012 20:41 GMT

#318

You gain 20 more damage per point in E than you do in W, as well as 2 seconds off the CD per point. The only better thing W gives you is +5% on the attack speed debuff, but at a higher mana cost on a champ that's already mana hungry. You need to be using your E to get damage in the skirmish or you're probably going to lose the trade.

Happy Frog

Australia490 Posts

February 05 2012 13:13 GMT

#319

I've been trying to do some sleuthing about this "Ezreal #1 in China" business I keep hearing about and I think I've found a pretty good lead.

Ehome TS, 2181 rating on NA, looks like he mains AD carries.

His core build seems to be Zerkers (not sure when upgraded) Doran x2 > Wriggles > TF > IE

He only had one complete build I could see, adding a PD and a LW.

Not sure on runes and masteries but I'm going to try and stalk him for a bit and find out.

Looking forward to trying it out

Also, pretty impressive assuming he's playing with Chinese latency

anmolsinghmzn2009

India1783 Posts

February 05 2012 15:53 GMT

#320

I remember Morello basically saying that the chinese send ezreal mid instead of bot a couple days back in the LoL forums. And we already know that works decently so maybe its not some super secret strat or build.