After trying the new Udyr out, I think they completely gutted Lanedyr. I can't see him being able to survive early anymore, it just costs ridiculous amounts of mana to use turtle stance. As the game goes on I could see offsetting it with mana pots/items, but you can use turtle stance like 5 times before you're out of mana? Ugh.

Exiling him to the jungle I guess.

Tommie

China658 Posts

March 28 2013 23:13 GMT

#985

Yeah I dont like the new Udyr at all and I'm not gonna play him.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

March 28 2013 23:51 GMT

#986

Wat. Udyr got straight buffed this patch.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

March 28 2013 23:53 GMT

#987

On March 29 2013 08:51 Ryuu314 wrote:
Wat. Udyr got straight buffed this patch.

Mana removal from Turtle makes his lane somewhat annoying now, since you can't spam as hard. I don't think it's worth writing home about, though.

zer0das

United States8519 Posts

March 29 2013 00:20 GMT

#988

It's a pretty big deal in lane. You can't really spam turtle shield, and if you get in a prolonged damage exchange, you're going to run out of mana pretty quickly. It's really awful early on when the mana costs are highest, and doesn't really get much better as you go along.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

March 29 2013 00:29 GMT

#989

Hm. Well I primarily play Udyr jungle and I don't think his top lane was all that amazing anyways after the second round of Turtle nerfs so...

obesechicken13

United States10467 Posts

March 29 2013 03:07 GMT

#990

The bear stance buff is pretty good for Udyr. I stopped getting turtle a long time ago so I haven't noticed that change yet. And turtle I never built AP scaling so I usually just ignored the stance until level 16. The distance of the bear stance charge isn't much but for some reason it makes stunning people much easier.

entropius

United States1046 Posts

March 29 2013 05:46 GMT

#991

He's completely broken now. I tend to play tanky junglers like amumu and sejuani who aren't the best duelists, and have no idea how to stop him from just completely eating all of my jungle constantly. Can't fight him, can't catch or outrun him, and just get further and further behind on farm.

Amui

Canada10567 Posts

March 29 2013 05:51 GMT

#992

I played jungle tiger, getting QRE-> gank. You do so much damage with Q->E->R->Q it's not even funny. People don't expect the first 2 hits to literally take off half their health.

Unfortunately udyr is not the best champ to carry on regardless of how fed you are if the enemy is also fed =/.

Cedstick

Canada3336 Posts

March 29 2013 09:29 GMT

#993

On March 29 2013 14:51 Amui wrote:
I played jungle tiger, getting QRE-> gank. You do so much damage with Q->E->R->Q it's not even funny. People don't expect the first 2 hits to literally take off half their health.

Unfortunately udyr is not the best champ to carry on regardless of how fed you are if the enemy is also fed =/.

I'm opening R > E > Q > Gank, two more in R, then maxing Q, E and W last since I'm opening Wriggles ATM. Gonna take a lot of experimenting since I'm fairly new to him in general -- only played him a few times prior to update.

czylu

477 Posts

March 29 2013 11:43 GMT

#994

I'm loving the new udyr. The new buffs to his E and R have made him stupendous. With his new E, if you are between flash locations(ie behind the gank target) and you activate bear as he flashes, you will dash straight to him and stun him. In team fights, you can quickly double dash if you activate bear in melee range of your first target(the dash is only in effect in the active duration), letting you get to the back lines that much easier. The R buff gives him respectable burst in ganks, and makes his jungle clear that much faster.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

March 29 2013 12:11 GMT

#995

You want W maxed second, not E, for the midgame power, though. Shield + CDR = bait and dives goodness, without the death in the middle of the action.

Slayer91

Ireland23444 Posts

March 29 2013 13:05 GMT

#996

ITT: People not using W and then complaining they can't carry.

Get fucking W any spam that shit in fights and vs poke like your life depended on it.
(Hint: It does)

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

March 29 2013 15:48 GMT

#997

twin shadows rush? thoughts? Is this super dumb or super gosu, because I made one in my first game with the new udyr and I pretty much got to kill someone free everytime I used the cd.

Ghost-z

United States1291 Posts

March 29 2013 16:04 GMT

#998

Are you using twin shadows before bear stance to help close the gap quickly or between bear stances so you can stick to them?

Ghost-z

United States1291 Posts

March 29 2013 16:25 GMT

#999

Some posted this in the general thread.

Build Udyr with Nashors and Lichbane for high burst phoenix procs. How viable is building AP on Udyr? With enough AP/cdr his Turtle shield might be lolz.

Slayer91

Ireland23444 Posts

March 29 2013 16:26 GMT

#1000

not nearly enough ap to make lichbane worth it

riven works much better with the whole "stack damage and get a better shield" because she actually scales well with ad as well as getting a better shield

as for the changes:
-the passive is definitely a nerf, the % resist was a lot better and the extra movement speed isnt that noticeable although its nice in early ganks
-Attack speed is still good because you need 4 autos in r to double proc it meaning either you get cdr and just get the first hit and stance dance of go for attack speed and try to get 4 hits in before swapping stances
-The pheonix extra damage is nice but over a long time not hugely better than before due to the loss of the 48 ap and 24 ad, but a lot better in burst situations.

Everyone is overhyping how good he got from the changes when in reality he was already pretty good but people judge way too fast after a nerf and although he's a bit better it doesn't change him drastically at all. (he plays better without as much farm because he can build full tank and still do some damage even if he isn't unkillable and doesn't have attack speed items)