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arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
August 20 2011 19:50 GMT
#181
His lane sustain is still super ridiculous and people are too dumb to lane a ranged AD against him. He gets rocked pretty hard by Cait or Vayne.
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-20 20:51:32
August 20 2011 20:51 GMT
#182
On August 21 2011 04:50 arnath wrote:
His lane sustain is still super ridiculous and people are too dumb to lane a ranged AD against him. He gets rocked pretty hard by Cait or Vayne.

Or Teeeemooooo(Smash's favorite counter to lanudyr)
You can't milk those!
zEMPd
Profile Joined June 2011
Angola259 Posts
August 20 2011 22:07 GMT
#183
Hes so OP... can ez take on 2-3 people at a time .. and with proper jungling / ganking / stance dancing..you can be 3-4 levels ahead of EVERYBODY for the entire game
icemanzdoinwork
Profile Joined August 2010
447 Posts
August 29 2011 05:48 GMT
#184
What kind of rune/masteries set up do I use with Udyr? Jungling and lanning
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 29 2011 06:12 GMT
#185
On August 29 2011 14:48 icemanzdoinwork wrote:
What kind of rune/masteries set up do I use with Udyr? Jungling and lanning

Don't play a lot of Lanedyr, so I can't really answer that, but jungle Udyr it depends on if you're jungling Phoenix or Tiger.

Tiger: AD marks/AD quints/dodge (or armor) seals/MR (flat or scaling based on preference) glyphs, 21/0/9 masteries.

Phoenix: I've seen 2 setups for this, and I like one better than the other.

TheOddOne's setup - Aspd marks + 1 arpen mark/arpen quints (any mix of arpen+aspd marks/quints that gives you 12 arpen and 14% aspd is equivalent)/dodge (or armor) seals/aspd glyphs, 0/9/21 masteries

Jatt's setup - Aspd marks/aspd quints/dodge (or armor) seals/MR (flat or scaling based on preference) glyphs, 1/14/15 masteries.

Personally, I don't really like Jatt's setup. Running 12 arpen still probably optimizes your jungle speed compared to the attack speed, getting a little bit of lategame MRes doesn't feel like it's playing to Phoenixdyr's strengths (which is his early game speed), and Udyr's jungle isn't fragile enough to need 14 defense at the cost of Presence of the Master.
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STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
September 12 2011 15:29 GMT
#186
Is there merit to something like 5/4/4/5 for skill levels? Aegis/Sheen/Wit's End core.

Phoenix and Tiger have decent synergy with each other (both like the benefit given by the active of the other) so you have a good bit of damage potential between the two. While Sheen/Wit's End is all you need for damage and you don't need wriggles if you jungle with phoenix stance so you can get everything quickly enough.

The one issue I see is you may be too fragile in the midgame if you forgo too many level of turtle for tiger. That being said you only really need 1 level of tiger at that early stage in the game.
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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
September 12 2011 15:35 GMT
#187
I don't play Udyr, but mathematically Bear Stance is not worth maxing if you have anything else giving some Movement Speed (e.g. Masteries, Zeal, etc.) apart from boots because Movement Speed has some pretty harsh decreasing returns to scale once you pass a certain point. Bear Stance Stun doesn't scale either. 5/5/3/5 might even be worth it if you have something else giving MS (maybe Janna/Zilean?). And all teams should have a Shurelyas. That item is ridiculous.
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jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
September 12 2011 15:51 GMT
#188
Maybe it's because I've only faced bad udyrs in this matchup, but I've found that TF counters him pretty hard. I've only tried it once or twice, but it seems that you can kite pretty well with gold cards given how short the cooldown is, especially if you start with boots 3 pots.
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
September 13 2011 23:14 GMT
#189
Holy SHIT.

I just did Jatt's Udyr jungle build. It's fucking insane.

1/13/16
RWRE

R>W>E>Q

Quints: ASPD
Reds: ASPD
Yellows: Armor
Blues: MR/Level

Cloth+4 pots

Yes, get Phoenix first. Tear through the fucking jungle. Against slower junglers, you can clear your entire jungle on the first go (including red), go back, buy boots, and be in time to harrass them off of their red (and steal it if you're lucky). Try it against Nocturne, Amumu, and Lee Sin. You jungle so quickly you don't even need Wriggle's. Rush Merc treads (or tabi), then Wits End. After that, build to order.

Randuin's and Reverie are actually both pretty good on Udyr because movement speed is gdlk.
rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
September 13 2011 23:16 GMT
#190
Are you sure Jatt maxes phoenix first ? Used to put 2 in phoenix and max turtle.
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
September 13 2011 23:24 GMT
#191
Max R
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-13 23:27:23
September 13 2011 23:26 GMT
#192
Have you read phoenix? It gives you extra AD and AP when you activate it.

That's also why he runs full aspd, for the proc on phoenix and the extra damage from the activation.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 13 2011 23:36 GMT
#193
WAIT EVERYONE STOP EVERYTHING

Udyr cannot max out all of his skills. Each skill is capped at level 5, but the max level is 18, therefore at least one of Udyr's skills will be weaker than the others. It is possible to max two abilities, with the other two at level 4 OR three maxed skills with one skill at level 3.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
September 13 2011 23:56 GMT
#194
You didn't know this?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 14 2011 00:44 GMT
#195
I still don't understand why Jatt doesn't just run 21 utility. Being able to finish out the end of the Utility tree is way better than getting some MR on runes and needing to get defensive masteries to compensate IMO, particularly given that the first 3 items he's buying are Mercs, Wit's End, and Aegis--he's absolutely not lacking in MR.
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-14 02:43:16
September 14 2011 01:02 GMT
#196
I think you can start regrowth + pot on phoenix Udyr if you get some damage on bluebuff. I came pretty close while trying to do it with no leash with 0/9/21 heal/smite Udyr and I'm pretty sure a leash can save you more than 200 hp on bluebuff (which is what level 3 heal gets you).

(Running 10 arpen/15% aspd in reds + quints, armor yellow, mr/level blue when I tested since that's the closest I have to full aspd reds/quints).

You can definitely do it with some more defensive masteries.

It's obviously more vulnerable than cloth + pots on the first clear but Udyr is so fast I'm not sure that matters.

edit: You can start 0/9/21 cloth + pots with these runes because I can do that with no leash and heal/smite

edit2: You can start regrowth going 0/9/21 if you get some damage on Golem.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
September 14 2011 06:04 GMT
#197
On September 14 2011 09:44 TheYango wrote:
I still don't understand why Jatt doesn't just run 21 utility. Being able to finish out the end of the Utility tree is way better than getting some MR on runes and needing to get defensive masteries to compensate IMO, particularly given that the first 3 items he's buying are Mercs, Wit's End, and Aegis--he's absolutely not lacking in MR.

You can't get a dodge proc with 1/8/21 and the real utility is from nimbleness proc lol
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
September 14 2011 06:12 GMT
#198
On September 14 2011 15:04 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 09:44 TheYango wrote:
I still don't understand why Jatt doesn't just run 21 utility. Being able to finish out the end of the Utility tree is way better than getting some MR on runes and needing to get defensive masteries to compensate IMO, particularly given that the first 3 items he's buying are Mercs, Wit's End, and Aegis--he's absolutely not lacking in MR.

You can't get a dodge proc with 1/8/21 and the real utility is from nimbleness proc lol

Why not just go 0/9/21 then?
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dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
September 14 2011 06:18 GMT
#199
because dat smite cd
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
September 14 2011 06:54 GMT
#200
On September 14 2011 15:18 dnastyx wrote:
because dat smite cd

15% of 75 > 5.
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