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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
Start cloth+5 or regrowth or whatever. Max turtle shell, spam it versus harass and just life and mana leech. When you feel comfortable you can harass with Q, or E-->Q. Philo+Hog or wriggles lantern to start you off. Wriggles procs on W to give you insane mana and hp. Then just make standard items. After a while you just kill anyone coming into creep range. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
is this common? | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
Akali is really really strong early vs melee heroes, if I were gonna guess what happened you probably took too much damage in the first few levels? | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
i got a kill on her when she tower dove me (and i lived) but she was soooo far ahead it didn't matter. eventually i called for a switch and we won but holy shit she shit on me so hard | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
you should also always open cloth+5pot or boots+3pot imo. you don't need regrowth/philo 'cuase even after wriggles nerf you still regen like a mofo | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
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GARO
United States2255 Posts
On August 02 2011 13:29 gtrsrs wrote: so i got smoked by an akali as top lane udyr is this common? I've seen three solo top udyr attempts go on feeding sprees against akalis pre/post turtle fix. but then it was always regrowth openings | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Madred's first, Wriggle's if you want but it's not mandatory. Gives you the option of Bloodrazor later if you really incline. I typically go Wriggle's => Trinity nowadays. Tanky afterwards. Only need 3 levels max in Bear. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
My builds are tending toward something like wriggles-->hog-->possibly philo if you can get away with it-->wits end-->randuins-->fon-->shurleyas-->atmas or something like that. Get trinity if you feel you won't loldie or are really fed. Rushing trinity is like ehhhhehadfafagajdfsf because you're gonna get raped by any AP carry that can output consistent damage like anivia or brand, or any AD carry who is farmed. Depends on teamcomp though, if your job is strictly to let someone else pwn carries and you stay back and defend trniity is viable. I need to test it more. I usually want to get Hog and maybe phage fast so I don't get raped in any midgame teamfight by some random brand/annie 1 comboing me because he's 2-3 levels higher. You can also start vamp sceptre if you are certain you are getting wriggles. Bloodrazer seems like an option if you expect they will 1-2 ppl getting atmogs. (Having solo top and jungle getting atmogs isn't too uncommon these days). EDIT: The way I started doing the randuins/shurelyas thing is I just applied Jatts pheonix udyr and copyed it and then started doing it was tiger udyr since tiger is flat out better. I tried that kind of thing before but I never settled on it for sure. | ||
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matthewfoulkes
United Kingdom246 Posts
oh yeah if your not getting cloth armour, get boot 3pot methinks, it should be enough pots to get you to the 1600 gold threshold you need to win your lane with wriggles and with level boots wriggles, solo top udyr is so hard to gank, stupidly sustained and very very powerful in a 1v1. imo udyr is THE BEST solotop char and i havent seen a char that can take a turret off me even with repeat ganks. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 16 2011 10:53 matthewfoulkes wrote: i dont understand why he isnt nerfed harder, i find it impossible to lose a lane with udyr, in my 5s team, he is 100% first pick for our team, if we get him then it means top lane will win and i will take top turrets. if vs an ad champion get cloth armour 5pot, you rarely use these pots even, level turtle and tiger, tiger over turtle, if u struggle at all and take any damage, just level turtle once or twice extra, get bear at level 4, 2/3 hits with tiger hits for an unexpected truckload, then when u go b and buy that wriggles lantern you literally become unfucking stoppable in lane, you will not fucking die, you will push turrets, you will need 2 people in your lane to hold u off towers, cos eventually u will just turtle/tiger your way up to turret enough times, that you will just kill it. oh yeah if your not getting cloth armour, get boot 3pot methinks, it should be enough pots to get you to the 1600 gold threshold you need to win your lane with wriggles and with level boots wriggles, solo top udyr is so hard to gank, stupidly sustained and very very powerful in a 1v1. imo udyr is THE BEST solotop char and i havent seen a char that can take a turret off me even with repeat ganks. 2 things: 1) Many champs don't have to beat you in lane. Lots of champs have a much better lategame than Udyr, so if they can force a stalemate where you're just trading farm, they win in the long run because they scale better. 2) What do you do vs. lanes that can sustain/deflect your harass and then exert map control elsewhere by ganking mid, going down for dragon, or disrupting your jungler? Morgana is an example--you can't engage on her through Binding and Black Shield, and past level 5 or 7 she just puts down a W and leaves the lane; she gets all the CS and does things in other parts of the map for 30 seconds while you have to either tank the 6 creeps she left, or lose a wave of XP/gold to follow her. | ||
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matthewfoulkes
United Kingdom246 Posts
On August 16 2011 11:04 TheYango wrote: 2 things: 1) Many champs don't have to beat you in lane. Lots of champs have a much better lategame than Udyr, so if they can force a stalemate where you're just trading farm, they win in the long run because they scale better. 2) What do you do vs. lanes that can sustain/deflect your harass and then exert map control elsewhere by ganking mid, going down for dragon, or disrupting your jungler? Morgana is an example--you can't engage on her through Binding and Black Shield, and past level 5 or 7 she just puts down a W and leaves the lane; she gets all the CS and does things in other parts of the map for 30 seconds while you have to either tank the 6 creeps she left, or lose a wave of XP/gold to follow her. in a solo lane vs morgana i'd be buying a spirit visage after my wriggles and merc treads, means im even more sustainy, by about level 10, if she is going off to do other things i can turtle tiger the tower down, and if she isnt i still can, the minions will push and i will take the tower vs morg, i tink maybe finding a good medium between ganking the shit out of udyr early and deflecting/farm trading is a good idea, but udyr is so powerful at tower pushing with/without minions, also with tele he can get into fight or get into towers real fast and get alot of things for free, also is the fact that udyr gets the ability to solo baron reasonably fast, with a madreds, wriggles, boots and triforce you should be ok to take your baron buff, if you have a blue then it wont even be close you will kill it with full health. udyr is also a ridiculous dragon soloer, he can take that thing at such an early level with turtle tiger, im sure as soon as you have a wriggles you can solo it. i just think that the free towers will take if they have a weakish top, outgain any late game another top holds, i try to think which chars are better later game than udyr and i think of mages, or maybe jarvan/irelia, you will outfarm and q these people down, you will escape ganks easier, you will have constant warding due to wriggles being broken with its free ward. i havent soloed top udyr in like 12 ranked 5s where i didnt take top turret first. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 16 2011 11:17 matthewfoulkes wrote: in a solo lane vs morgana i'd be buying a spirit visage after my wriggles and merc treads, means im even more sustainy, by about level 10, if she is going off to do other things i can turtle tiger the tower down, and if she isnt i still can, the minions will push and i will take the tower vs morg, i tink maybe finding a good medium between ganking the shit out of udyr early and deflecting/farm trading is a good idea, but udyr is so powerful at tower pushing with/without minions, also with tele he can get into fight or get into towers real fast and get alot of things for free, also is the fact that udyr gets the ability to solo baron reasonably fast, with a madreds, wriggles, boots and triforce you should be ok to take your baron buff, if you have a blue then it wont even be close you will kill it with full health. Your strategy is to push with minion advantage against a champ that it's virtually impossible to build a minion advantage against? | ||
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Lanzoma
Mexico813 Posts
I see your Udyr and raise you T-Mo. | ||
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adrift
192 Posts
after that i usually go bloodthirster if im farming well. you want to abuse the ratio on his Q and since he is so ridiculous in lane its not hard to get it stacked with sv/mercs/wriggles you are over 100/100 armor/mr and have decent HP. after that can build tanky (fon or atma depending) or trinity | ||
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matthewfoulkes
United Kingdom246 Posts
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Bulldozer
United States89 Posts
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