EPTquestion though: i always do Q spaced out, but can u actually just do both back to back. does the DoT stack or overlap?
related: do 2 ignites stack?
[Champion] Udyr - Page 7
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
question though: i always do Q spaced out, but can u actually just do both back to back. does the DoT stack or overlap? related: do 2 ignites stack? | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
or everyone would run ignite/exhaust. their only weakness is that in teamfights its hard to coordinate who does what to who so usually you just see 1 ignite and 1 exhaust per team | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
On July 03 2011 13:22 Brees wrote: i still think ghostblade udyr is the best way to go, but you need to be quite well versed in assassin type play. How can udyr possibly play as an assassin and is going for a gimmick build (ghostblade almost always gimmicky) really worth it? | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On July 03 2011 18:41 Slayer91 wrote: How can udyr possibly play as an assassin and is going for a gimmick build (ghostblade almost always gimmicky) really worth it? yup its worth it to me, i dominate with it every game and have about a 70% winrate with him. if that treeeskimo streamed game still exists which was posted here a bit earlier, you can see how hard it dominates. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On July 04 2011 01:40 Slayer91 wrote: Same thing works on nocturne, get fed early, rape ppl who are caught 1v1 with you, but I don't think you should prepare a build that relies on the players being bad. In grouped up teamfights you become much weaker. nah its really hard to get kills early, i dont rely on getting fed. teamfights are when i start to dominate. i just have a lot of experience with shaco and those types of characters so it works for me. I know when to go in and get out | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On July 03 2011 18:41 Slayer91 wrote: How can udyr possibly play as an assassin and is going for a gimmick build (ghostblade almost always gimmicky) really worth it? ghostblade doesnt seem any less gimmicky on udyr than triforce, and ppl love building that on udyr edit: the only issue i have is that the armor pen doesnt really help out any of his skills, but the ms and aspeed on the active are pretty amazing. | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
On July 04 2011 05:44 barbsq wrote: ghostblade doesnt seem any less gimmicky on udyr than triforce, and ppl love building that on udyr edit: the only issue i have is that the armor pen doesnt really help out any of his skills, but the ms and aspeed on the active are pretty amazing. 1: Attack speed isn't that best stat on udyr, its good, but not as good as attack damage. 2: What you said about Arpen. 3: CDR isn't the best, it helps you when you stance switch a lot but I can't see it being preferable to more straight AD or more straight survivability. Trinity force gives -Movement speed. Super critical on udyr, ghostblade gives this but its more for actually when you're ON the target when you need it more to help gapclose as well as chase. -A consistent slow; super important -Sheen proc; helps a lot, I'm not the kind of guy who gets sheen as first dps item after wriggles like some people but its definitely useful. All 3 of those could be considered "core" and it's your queue to start building tank. I usually insta-die when I buy trinity, somehow brees gets away with "knowing when to go in" but when i play solo queue either I go in first or there won't be any going in, because the other 4 guys are squishies and all our carries will just be raped by amumu ult or something. Although sometimes I get a jarvan or irelia top, having jungler being the only melee is not uncommon any more. edit: I'm not so sure that it's a "bad" item but I feel like its not the most effiicent and if you want to build ghostblade there are champions who make much better use of it. (People with harder gap closers, 100% physical damage, physical damage abilities, need cdr a lot it's actually great on irelia, jarvan because their sustained lacks a bit after the gap close, but again these champions favour trinity force because they rarely have the chance to STAY in they have to run in and out more or else build full tank.) | ||
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Psyqo
United States401 Posts
Mana cost of shifting decreased to 55/50/45/40/35 from 75/65/55/45/35 Or was he this powerful all along but some other beefy champs had to get nerfed first? | ||
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 05 2011 09:15 arnath wrote: People just like to overstate extremely small shifts in champion power. Udyr got very slightly nerfed and suddenly his "lack of a gap closer" was a crippling defect. He gets slightly buffed and suddenly he's fotm again. He's always been a solid hero in the right hands (and against the right heroes), the buff helped his early game slightly. Well, it's also mostly cause his high mana cost made it so he absolutely had to jungle. Laning was out of the question as you'd go oom with 3-4 stance changes. After locket removal and before current buff, Udyr was never really weak, it was just that he couldn't go after carries due to no gap closer, and he couldn't peel and fight other melee dps well 'cause as a jungler, he likely wouldn't be nearly farmed enough and would either explode or do no damage. Now, with lowered mana cost, he can lane, farm better, and thus do better in teamfights. | ||
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
On July 05 2011 09:17 Flakes wrote: Another thing is that turtle stance gives mana for razor/lantern procs (Riot probably forgot to change it when they made turtle restore based on "actual damage dealt"). IDK if they are gonna fix it, but keep it on the dl Yeah I noticed this the other day. I dunno if it's always been like this but it's a nice perk. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
All these noobs see rainman pwn as Udyr and then are completely awful as him and make us lose the game. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On July 03 2011 16:04 MoonBear wrote: Tiger double DoT should stack. You can pre-charge up a Tiger DoT and then activate Q again for another DoT. Ignite does not afaik. They don't stack, btw. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23464 Posts
On July 05 2011 10:07 Shikyo wrote: I've started banning udyr in ranked. All these noobs see rainman pwn as Udyr and then are completely awful as him and make us lose the game. Or else I play him when somebody wants to jungle insetad and I faceroll huehuehue. | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
Cloth Armor 2pot 1 ward -->Razor-->boots --> Lantern --> Mercs --> Wits End or Sash (If they have like ww and malz) Spirit visage could also be a good idea. Honestly he builds just like ww. Trinity would be good but its too long to get in 3s. He is quite dominant I love him. Got me ranked 200! | ||
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