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TacToSs
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia330 Posts
June 24 2011 02:07 GMT
#101
So just bought Udyr and was wondering whats better for Tiger jungling runes. What's the general opinion of AD reds and quints vs AS? Like in terms of jungling speed and overall effectiveness mid/late game if any
Jaedong <3
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
June 24 2011 02:25 GMT
#102
if you can get ad reds go for it, otherwise stick with arpen reds or a combo of arpen and aspd reds as udyr can clear jungle pretty well without the particular need for aspd reds.
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
June 24 2011 02:50 GMT
#103
you want AD runes because tiger is magic damage, armor pen really doesnt do much for you
Brees on in
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
June 24 2011 03:20 GMT
#104
what about his autoattack lol
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 02 2011 22:08 GMT
#105
finally picked up udyr and i haven't lost with him yet

pros:
you can just walk into their jungle any time and take camps, cause what are they gonna do about it? fight you 1v1? LOL
super fast jungle time and honestly, with flash up, pretty alright ganks
BEAR STANCE
if you actually get someone in melee range, they drop instantly

cons:
gets kited to all hell. seriously janna and/or ashe and cait can just ruin the entire game for you. booo those champs
flash is his #1 enemy without a true gap closer


i probably picked the wrong time to get into udyr what with leona coming out next patch but i'm having fun for now

AD reds + quints
ar/level yellow
MR/level blue (though i'll be getting AS yellows/blues when i have the IP)

wriggles, triforce, FoN, randuin, IE if necessary
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
July 02 2011 23:15 GMT
#106
Too many offensive items. If you don't wanna get kited to hell you gotta build full tank and just pressure them with bear stance until one falls out of position by not reacting fast enough to your dancing. QSS allows you to not be kited as hard as some may think. Level 5 bear stance gives you insane mobility.

I find just a plain madred's razor is enough to keep his sustainability up because turtle + madred's proc is more than enough. He doesn't need the lifesteal. Usually keep the madred's in your inventory until late game and just build bloodrazor as your only dmg item.

oh, and always bait with turtle shield lol
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 02 2011 23:38 GMT
#107
i disagree lol
i haven't had a problem with dying yet, i'm only averaging a little over a death per game, hence why i add the situational IE lategame for more damage
bloodrazors seems really bad on udyr. it doesn't give hardly any AD so it won't make tiger hit hard, it doesn't proc a slow so you can get consecutive hits, it doesn't add crit damage or knock down towers quickly, etc etc. it's also hella expensive. much rather have triforce
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-03 00:02:52
July 03 2011 00:00 GMT
#108
If I try to build trinity like that I'd get stomped hard by any double ap comp. It's ok when they have a tanky diver top and a tanky diver jungle when you protect teammates all day, stun em all, kill some squishies, but in a proper game you need to tanky as hell or you just die. I find even building wits end to be stretching it sometimes.

Bloodrazer is good lategame, but I find that they are better items earlier. (wits end)
Triforce is great, more specifically movement speed, sheen proc isn't that cruicial to your damage.
Infinity edge seems really dumb, if you just get atmas and then get warmogs or something it should work out better for you. Movement speed lets you just right click people and not worry about wasting time using bear everytime its up.

Went 11/2/18 last game yay. Had to do everything a little. Protect carries from nocturne/ww, dps the swain or nocturne because he had some retarded ghostblade zerkers build, finish the tristana if akali didn't. Had to help intiate fights. At one point I was extremely fed with wriggles/mercs/randuins/wits end/redpot/qss and I barely survived focus fire by QSSing and flashing away. No idea how you can get away with trinity force unless you have a reliable tank (i.e not solo queue) :O
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 03 2011 00:17 GMT
#109
i dunno it just works
ruken is definitely one of the best udyr's i've ever seen and he advocates sheen first into triforce a lot of the time (but not every time)
i just feel like triforce + negatron + chain mail + turtle stance is enough to survive anything. if it's not just press flash and voila you're fine. i'll try wit's end some though
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-03 00:25:58
July 03 2011 00:23 GMT
#110
What's with all the nasus guys playing udyr as well? Similar champs. Imba dps, ashe makes you ragequit. Lol.

Turtle stance isn't a factor at all in what I'm talking about. I'm talking about you try to run in and if they nuke you instead of a carry and let the hard tanks soak up the carries they can just burst you down before you get more than 1 turtle stance. However, I used to ghost, so maybe flash might make it easier if they burn their CD's.

I don't see why everyone is in love with sheen really. You don't need mana any more, while I find the health/slow on phage and the movement/attack speed on zeal to be both WAY more crucial for udyr, You don't have problems straight up dpsing that getting an extra 100 damage per stance change in important. Usually when you want damage you are in tiger and spamming out attacks for a good 5-6 seconds and if you switch to get sheen procs its a waste unless you really need the stun/shield.
TL Blazeraid
Profile Joined January 2011
566 Posts
July 03 2011 00:26 GMT
#111
On July 03 2011 09:17 gtrsrs wrote:
i dunno it just works
ruken is definitely one of the best udyr's i've ever seen and he advocates sheen first into triforce a lot of the time (but not every time)
i just feel like triforce + negatron + chain mail + turtle stance is enough to survive anything. if it's not just press flash and voila you're fine. i'll try wit's end some though


I disagree. I've been having infinite more success with phage->sheen
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 03 2011 01:10 GMT
#112
It depends on what you need. If they have a lot of burst, get phage. If not, get sheen. If you need a bit of extra burst to get a kill, go sheen. If you want to kill towers, get sheen. If you arent expecting to get kills, but need the slow in ganks to let others get them, go phage.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 03 2011 02:55 GMT
#113
i did phage first in my most recent game and it was equally effective
in fact i had much worse stats (only 2-0-0) than normal, but only cause they surrendered at 20

it just seems like you can build w/e on udyr and raep faces
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
July 03 2011 04:00 GMT
#114
udyr at lvl 1. stun, exhaust, ignite, flash + double tiger gg
cool beans
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 03 2011 04:03 GMT
#115
udyr OP with 3 summoners ^_^
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-03 04:18:23
July 03 2011 04:18 GMT
#116
TheRainMan's lane Udyr is pretty fucking dominant. Holy shit.

He starts Cloth Armor+5 or something else (can't remember what he starts when facing magic damage... ) and get's like wriggles, tabi, wit's end and pretty much can 1v1 anyone with imba stun=>tiger=>mana back and shield from turtle. Really crazy!

Edit: Or get a Warmog's after tabi if they're mostly phys damage.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 03 2011 04:20 GMT
#117
On July 03 2011 13:18 hasuprotoss wrote:
TheRainMan's lane Udyr is pretty fucking dominant. Holy shit.

He starts Cloth Armor+5 or something else (can't remember what he starts when facing magic damage... ) and get's like wriggles, tabi, wit's end and pretty much can 1v1 anyone with imba stun=>tiger=>mana back and shield from turtle. Really crazy!

Edit: Or get a Warmog's after tabi if they're mostly phys damage.


We haven't seen it as much but Udyr is WW lite. I wonder how Noc is in lane now too. zz
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
July 03 2011 04:22 GMT
#118
i still think ghostblade udyr is the best way to go, but you need to be quite well versed in assassin type play.
Brees on in
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
July 03 2011 04:55 GMT
#119
On July 03 2011 13:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 13:18 hasuprotoss wrote:
TheRainMan's lane Udyr is pretty fucking dominant. Holy shit.

He starts Cloth Armor+5 or something else (can't remember what he starts when facing magic damage... ) and get's like wriggles, tabi, wit's end and pretty much can 1v1 anyone with imba stun=>tiger=>mana back and shield from turtle. Really crazy!

Edit: Or get a Warmog's after tabi if they're mostly phys damage.


We haven't seen it as much but Udyr is WW lite. I wonder how Noc is in lane now too. zz

Lane noc is pretty beast. Not as much sustain, but q hurts a shit ton, especially before the nerf to it. Toss in a spell shield and a ranged disable, he is pretty damn good in lane. Ulti is kinda useless pre 11 though.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 03 2011 04:58 GMT
#120
On July 03 2011 13:55 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2011 13:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 03 2011 13:18 hasuprotoss wrote:
TheRainMan's lane Udyr is pretty fucking dominant. Holy shit.

He starts Cloth Armor+5 or something else (can't remember what he starts when facing magic damage... ) and get's like wriggles, tabi, wit's end and pretty much can 1v1 anyone with imba stun=>tiger=>mana back and shield from turtle. Really crazy!

Edit: Or get a Warmog's after tabi if they're mostly phys damage.


We haven't seen it as much but Udyr is WW lite. I wonder how Noc is in lane now too. zz

Lane noc is pretty beast. Not as much sustain, but q hurts a shit ton, especially before the nerf to it. Toss in a spell shield and a ranged disable, he is pretty damn good in lane. Ulti is kinda useless pre 11 though.


Wish we could convert some of this theorycraft into practice for TL, hurr.

But yeah, great farming skill (Q) and heal from passive. As long as his passive hits all 6-7 minions per wave, he doesn't even need vamp scepter early on.
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