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On February 05 2011 03:58 Juicyfruit wrote:
I'm complaining about his early game squish vs burst damage yo. Old udyr could get away with whole lot more with those early tank items. Tiger farms good and scales good but I felt likes fucking shaco or yi when fighting before catalyst.
well, of course he's squishier, but his base HP is still very high and turtle still gives you a bunch more effective HP.
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I was just contemplating tweaking the build a little bit to go 3xDblades instead of Sheen is all.
Cos you know....27extra AD with like 200000x attack speed steroid seems pretty good compared to a sheen proc, but I have no idea how sheen interacts with tiger so I dunno.
Triforce seems like it'll be like a 50-minute game item.
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no room for 3x dblade. When you already have lantern and boots, that leaves you with 1 slot left, not enough room for wards and pieces of your next item. Sheen doesn't have any special interaction with tiger, but Udyr's base AD is very high and he can constantly proc it with stance dancing, so it's a very efficient item on him. Triforce makes you impossible to escape unless it's Kassadin or Mundo (yi would just get 1-shot anyway), but I have been pushing it until later in my build recently.
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On February 05 2011 05:34 Juicyfruit wrote:
I was just contemplating tweaking the build a little bit to go 3xDblades instead of Sheen is all.
Cos you know....27extra AD with like 200000x attack speed steroid seems pretty good compared to a sheen proc, but I have no idea how sheen interacts with tiger so I dunno.
Triforce seems like it'll be like a 50-minute game item.
i'm sure you could get a triforce by 30 minutes using said item build. the atmas + elixir pump is probably looking at a 50 minute game.
the biggest problem i see with dorans blade stack is that you have no room for extra wards / (pots if and when needed) esp if you start building bveil / atma components as needed. sheen acts with tiger in that the DoT gets the extra AD as well as the first hit. So in terms of DPS yes it is very strong on udyr. It's very unlikely that the enemy team will allow you to wail nonstop on their carry / anybody who constant autoattacks would deal significant damage, so sheen is more likely to deal the damage you neeed exactly when you need it. The proc time and the time for the stance CD overlap pretty closely anyhow so it works out pretty nicely.
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On February 05 2011 06:08 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 05:34 Juicyfruit wrote:
I was just contemplating tweaking the build a little bit to go 3xDblades instead of Sheen is all.
Cos you know....27extra AD with like 200000x attack speed steroid seems pretty good compared to a sheen proc, but I have no idea how sheen interacts with tiger so I dunno.
Triforce seems like it'll be like a 50-minute game item. i'm sure you could get a triforce by 30 minutes using said item build. the atmas + elixir pump is probably looking at a 50 minute game. the biggest problem i see with dorans blade stack is that you have no room for extra wards / (pots if and when needed) esp if you start building bveil / atma components as needed. sheen acts with tiger in that the DoT gets the extra AD as well as the first hit. So in terms of DPS yes it is very strong on udyr. It's very unlikely that the enemy team will allow you to wail nonstop on their carry / anybody who constant autoattacks would deal significant damage, so sheen is more likely to deal the damage you neeed exactly when you need it. The proc time and the time for the stance CD overlap pretty closely anyhow so it works out pretty nicely.
you're wrong, the sheen proc does not factor into the Tiger damage. That would be fucking broken beyond belief.
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On February 05 2011 06:15 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 06:08 Navi wrote:On February 05 2011 05:34 Juicyfruit wrote:
I was just contemplating tweaking the build a little bit to go 3xDblades instead of Sheen is all.
Cos you know....27extra AD with like 200000x attack speed steroid seems pretty good compared to a sheen proc, but I have no idea how sheen interacts with tiger so I dunno.
Triforce seems like it'll be like a 50-minute game item. i'm sure you could get a triforce by 30 minutes using said item build. the atmas + elixir pump is probably looking at a 50 minute game. the biggest problem i see with dorans blade stack is that you have no room for extra wards / (pots if and when needed) esp if you start building bveil / atma components as needed. sheen acts with tiger in that the DoT gets the extra AD as well as the first hit. So in terms of DPS yes it is very strong on udyr. It's very unlikely that the enemy team will allow you to wail nonstop on their carry / anybody who constant autoattacks would deal significant damage, so sheen is more likely to deal the damage you neeed exactly when you need it. The proc time and the time for the stance CD overlap pretty closely anyhow so it works out pretty nicely. you're wrong, the sheen proc does not factor into the Tiger damage. That would be fucking broken beyond belief.
afaik, when your sheen proc is activated (like when you arcane shift on ezreal) the numbers where your attack damage was increase as well. actually, now that I think about it, did they change this in a recent patch? I don't remember seeing that change since a couple of patches ago. I thought that since your AD changed, ad scaling skills like tiger proc would also increase. guess nawt lul
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Just tested and Sheen triggering does not affect your AD at all. It just adds damage to your next regular attack.
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On February 05 2011 09:45 Navi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2011 06:15 Mogwai wrote:On February 05 2011 06:08 Navi wrote:On February 05 2011 05:34 Juicyfruit wrote:
I was just contemplating tweaking the build a little bit to go 3xDblades instead of Sheen is all.
Cos you know....27extra AD with like 200000x attack speed steroid seems pretty good compared to a sheen proc, but I have no idea how sheen interacts with tiger so I dunno.
Triforce seems like it'll be like a 50-minute game item. i'm sure you could get a triforce by 30 minutes using said item build. the atmas + elixir pump is probably looking at a 50 minute game. the biggest problem i see with dorans blade stack is that you have no room for extra wards / (pots if and when needed) esp if you start building bveil / atma components as needed. sheen acts with tiger in that the DoT gets the extra AD as well as the first hit. So in terms of DPS yes it is very strong on udyr. It's very unlikely that the enemy team will allow you to wail nonstop on their carry / anybody who constant autoattacks would deal significant damage, so sheen is more likely to deal the damage you neeed exactly when you need it. The proc time and the time for the stance CD overlap pretty closely anyhow so it works out pretty nicely. you're wrong, the sheen proc does not factor into the Tiger damage. That would be fucking broken beyond belief. afaik, when your sheen proc is activated (like when you arcane shift on ezreal) the numbers where your attack damage was increase as well. actually, now that I think about it, did they change this in a recent patch? I don't remember seeing that change since a couple of patches ago. I thought that since your AD changed, ad scaling skills like tiger proc would also increase. guess nawt lul
it adds the damage as an on-hit effect and has done so roughly forever. I tested it like, December last year because if that's how it worked Pantheon would've been 100% invincible with a sheen.
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Fyi, nothing will ever increase the damage bonus from sheen, but the sheen bonus does get applied towards your standard autoattack so stuff like lifesteal or corki's passive all apply towards sheen's bonus.
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On February 06 2011 08:13 Juicyfruit wrote:
Fyi, nothing will ever increase the damage bonus from sheen, but the sheen bonus does get applied towards your standard autoattack so stuff like lifesteal or corki's passive all apply towards sheen's bonus.
ya, i dunno i remember a couple of months ago and playing ezreal with a sheen
and then using a w
and then being like wtf the AD amount went up
and then it disappeared when i mystic shotted / autoattacked something
I thought it was pretty cool so i remembered it
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
i always rush ghostblade after wriggle's.
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On February 06 2011 11:16 Brees wrote:
i always rush ghostblade after wriggle's.
this sounds much better than Sheen, but it seems like your putting off tank items for even longer. Idk, I might just mess around with a bunch of these different builds and see what's best for me. :D
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Best item for Udyr is Janna.
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On February 07 2011 10:46 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Best item for Udyr is Janna.
this statement is pretty true. Even if you replace udyr with pretty much anyone else.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
zilean >>>>>> janna for udyr
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I guess that's true. Rule of thumb is that Zilean > Janna for Melee dudes, Janna > Zilean for Ranged dudes.
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For a wriggles-less build do you go:
Cloth + Pots
Boots1
HoG
Sheen
Merc Treads
Then:
Deviate to Tank - Negatron/Finish Randuins
Deviate to DPS - Triforce.
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On February 08 2011 04:17 Mogwai wrote:
I guess that's true. Rule of thumb is that Zilean > Janna for Melee dudes, Janna > Zilean for Ranged dudes.
Zilean ulting ww = if you kill ww he will revive at full hp, if you don't he will Q back to full hp anyway.
Though i think Olaf wants Zil the most out of all melees ;x
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Yes, Olaf + Zil = imba, we've known this for awhile. But that speed boost + ult is pretty much crazy on all Melee DPS.
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I'm still a newb at LoL. Started maybe 2 months ago and I wanna try Udyr since he's free this week. Never played him before, so I have a quick question. In your masteries, you have crit chance and crit damage upgraded. But doesn't turtle stance remove any chance you have of getting crit hits? I feel like I'm overlooking something here.
edit: nevermind, I see it now. It's a persistent effect, not a passive.
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