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Awesomo
Netherlands206 Posts
I've been building wit's end on him after omen and banshees/quicksilver, for faster bear stuns and just because i have no idea what to build once my core is done. Udyr can carry so hard. I occasionally pull off two ganks at level 4, and most of the time i'll give the kills to whoever is in lane. After that it's usually smooth sailing with either one or two lanes snowballing out of control or me continually putting up pressure. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
How do on hit effects interact with tiger anyways? Does it proc three times? | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On January 17 2011 05:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Mana burn seems almost silly. You have nothing to poke with and while you get the ASPD steroid from tiger/passive it really isn't going to amount to much if you're trying to stun everyone. How do on hit effects interact with tiger anyways? Does it proc three times? uh, i thot they changed tiger so it doesnt do the 3hit business anymore. and in any case, at the point where it did do the 3hit nonsense, crits applied, but onhit effects only applied to the first one, and there were issues with the onhit effect's damage being cut to 1/3 what it is supposed to be. edit: also, why is 'poking' a requirement for running wits end, i routinely get confused by that, its like making the assumption that it is impossible to hit anyone with melee-range autoattacks while they have mana | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 17 2011 05:31 barbsq wrote: edit: also, why is 'poking' a requirement for running wits end, i routinely get confused by that, its like making the assumption that it is impossible to hit anyone with melee-range autoattacks while they have mana Because burning Amumu's mana is vastly less useful once he's already Bandage-Ultied, making Rammus run out of mana before his 2nd taunt is much more relevant than making him run out before hs 3rd taunt, etc. In the situations where it's necessary, Wit's End on a melee champ is probably better than no Wit's End at all, but if you have the choice, IMO I'd much rather have your ranged carry get Wit's End than one of your melees (and do you really need two Wit's Ends?). Of course, I might be too accustomed to premade games where if I say "hey, we need someone to get Wit's End", someone will actually do it. | ||
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Odds
Canada1188 Posts
Mana pool? What's that? | ||
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-Kato-
Spain1146 Posts
Blue>Wolves>Wraiths>Red>Minigolem (almost 0 hp) AS reds, flat armor seals, MR/lvl blues MS quints, 1/14/15 or something like that. Can someone explian how to do it correctly? That tiger thingy hits so hard. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On January 22 2011 20:16 -Kato- wrote: I've been trying the new tigerudyr jungle, and I'm getting way too low. Going: Blue>Wolves>Wraiths>Red>Minigolem (almost 0 hp) AS reds, flat armor seals, MR/lvl blues MS quints, 1/14/15 or something like that. Can someone explian how to do it correctly? That tiger thingy hits so hard. You should consider using AD marks and quints if you're gonna jungle with Tiger Stance. | ||
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Darkchylde
United States473 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
Im missing a few runes for the AD set up, and i want to play Udyr again, so if the AS marks/quints are working well that would b cool :D | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 23 2011 09:05 BraveGhost wrote: So are the as marks/quints with armor seals working better for you than the AD Marks/Quints. AS seals/glyphs.. Im missing a few runes for the AD set up, and i want to play Udyr again, so if the AS marks/quints are working well that would b cool :D I've actually haven't used AD runes before (don't own any). Smash's Udyr page is AD Quints/Red, AS Blue/Yellow like you said. I had an old AS Jungle page which I still use and it works fine with me. So I technically can't tell you which is "better" since I've only tried my setup. On January 23 2011 23:48 Kaniol wrote: This amount of mana regen suggests that if they steal your blue you are fucked It happens (enemy team with Blitz camping your Golem, hurr hurr free Blitz week) but Udyr isn't that mana intensive. You don't really need to stance dance while you jungle regular camps, only Blue or Red. You can open Tiger for the burst and take down the big wraith, big wolf, or a golem, then switch to Turtle to leech back some hp/mp. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
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Darkchylde
United States473 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On January 24 2011 09:11 Darkchylde wrote: Neo pretty much summed it all up already. "You don't really need to stance dance while you jungle regular camps, only Blue or Red. You can open Tiger for the burst and take down the big wraith, big wolf, or a golem, then switch to Turtle to leech back some hp/mp." Still leaves some stuff open: When I do stance dance, in which order? How long do I stay in each stance? When I'm doing say Wraiths, do I keep Tiger on until the big one dies, do I switch a bit earlier, or maybe later? After a fixed time? | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 24 2011 19:49 spinesheath wrote: Still leaves some stuff open: When I do stance dance, in which order? How long do I stay in each stance? When I'm doing say Wraiths, do I keep Tiger on until the big one dies, do I switch a bit earlier, or maybe later? After a fixed time? You alternate between Tiger (DPS) and Turtle (Tank, to keep your HP up and minor hp leech). Bear is only used for ganking. You stay in each stance for as long as possible without having your passive elapse and reset. Focus down the hardest monster first (big wraith, big wolf, a golem) then use turtle to regen hp/mp back. | ||
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jtbem
Canada1404 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 24 2011 23:42 jtbem wrote: do you ever feel like you need the 2nd point for buff duration? 21/0/9 is admittedly really ballsy, but I enjoy it because it clears the jungle so fucking fast and hits like a goddamn truck on ganks. doing a safer 1/16/13 or something along those lines should give you a safer and more robust jungle, but it will do so more slowly and won't tear down opposing champions as quickly. I don't think you NEED the 2nd point in buff duration, but it is of course helpful to have so do whatever you feel comfortable with. On January 23 2011 09:05 BraveGhost wrote: So are the as marks/quints with armor seals working better for you than the AD Marks/Quints. AS seals/glyphs.. Im missing a few runes for the AD set up, and i want to play Udyr again, so if the AS marks/quints are working well that would b cool :D Full AS is serviceable but AD quints + marks is faster and scales better with Tiger (both on the active and because Tiger provides very strong AS which shifts your needs towards AD and Penetration). | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I'll concede that Smash's rune page is much more specialized for Udyr, specifically Tigerdyr. My page is much more generic. | ||
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