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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23362 Posts
July 17 2012 15:04 GMT
#141
Buy an oracles to further your asshole status.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 17 2012 15:07 GMT
#142
Oh, I also discovered that if you're nunu vs. yorick, your team necessarily wins all poking engagements later in the game, as you can just frontline for your team and eat ghouls if yorick casts anything, which makes it impossible for the opposing team to get any damage to stick.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23362 Posts
July 17 2012 15:10 GMT
#143
Sounds like playing udyr against everything else!
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 17 2012 15:23 GMT
#144
Honestly, if Nunu has creeps to nom, he withstands poking a lot harder than udyr does. Udyr gets a 200 point shield every 6 second base CD, whereas Nunu heals well over 500 every 8 seconds base CD (assuming 1 wota on your team, with double wota it's even stupider). The biggest problem is that if the opposing team doesn't have yorick, it's like, impossible to train your team to not instantly blow up every creep wave as it gets there.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23362 Posts
July 17 2012 15:32 GMT
#145
When do you max Q on top nunu? Also you have to count the relative resist levels of a nunu versus an udyr typically it's gonig to be a lot more similar than you think although it's a shield not a heal.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 17 2012 15:44 GMT
#146
On July 18 2012 00:32 Slayer91 wrote:
When do you max Q on top nunu? Also you have to count the relative resist levels of a nunu versus an udyr typically it's gonig to be a lot more similar than you think although it's a shield not a heal.

Typically max Q after E, so by level 13, though I will max it first in certain lanes or if I'm getting camped. Also, Udyr will have slightly higher resists, but not by a ton, I'm typically looking at Frozen Heart, WotA, Unholy Grail as first 3 big ticket items followed by a negatron item with either mercs or tabi for boots. Off the same gold you're looking at like, Wit's + Randuins I guess, so that's an effective 75 extra armor from randuins if you're going balls out defensive spec on Udyr, but since we're talking on top of FH anyway, it's not as huge as it sounds I don't think. Also, nunu gets to participate in poking via iceballs while udyr has to sit back or full commit to Melee range to do anything offensive. *shrug*, just saying that a farmed Nunu is a defensive trump card in poking wars as long as he has consume targets.
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bmn
Profile Joined August 2010
886 Posts
July 19 2012 17:14 GMT
#147
Mogwai, do you also think AP nunu is flat-out bad, or can he be made to work post-laning phase? I guess you'd want to roam (or run teleport) to get fed early from ganks if you're going that route.

Incidentally, Nunu real good against Kennen top. Also real good if (like me) you tend to overlook approaching junglers; just E+W and run away npnp.

Do you always build athene's top or do you go FH first against AD bruisers?
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 19 2012 17:38 GMT
#148
nunu needs his resists to live. You can build dcap on top of grail/abyssal + FH/omen, but you do need big ticket defensive items if you want to be at all useful later on.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 26 2012 04:30 GMT
#149
I think I must be nunu king by now. Been roflstomping so much with him lately, such a stupidly powerful character, lol.
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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
July 26 2012 14:54 GMT
#150
it's kinda dumb how riot's junglers always become godlike solo tops (or in this case godlike anywhere)
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
July 26 2012 15:25 GMT
#151
Hey uh,

MBR nunu? (note that I typically hate mbr, but on nunu I dunno...)
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-26 15:34:15
July 26 2012 15:32 GMT
#152
I guess there are probably stupider items you could build on him if you really tried... I mean, theoretically it makes some amount of sense, but in reality, you never hit enough gold for it to make sense. Wit's end may make sense as an MRes option in the 3rd/4th item slot, but MBR is still just too much gold for too little benefit on nunu.

Nunu gets all the gold he can in the laning phase and hopes to hit 3 items after his gold/10s. With these items you want Resists, CDR, enough mana to spam and enough AP/spell vamp to make your spells meaningful. If you know me, I'm a very firm believer in malleable builds that adapt to the situation at hand, but the items you need to properly fill Nunu's mid-late game niche are so specific that I build the exact same shit every game on him (boots, philo + pick, chalice, tabi/mercs, -> grail + FH + WotA).
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 26 2012 15:40 GMT
#153
On July 18 2012 00:44 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 00:32 Slayer91 wrote:
When do you max Q on top nunu? Also you have to count the relative resist levels of a nunu versus an udyr typically it's gonig to be a lot more similar than you think although it's a shield not a heal.

Typically max Q after E, so by level 13, though I will max it first in certain lanes or if I'm getting camped. Also, Udyr will have slightly higher resists, but not by a ton, I'm typically looking at Frozen Heart, WotA, Unholy Grail as first 3 big ticket items followed by a negatron item with either mercs or tabi for boots. Off the same gold you're looking at like, Wit's + Randuins I guess, so that's an effective 75 extra armor from randuins if you're going balls out defensive spec on Udyr, but since we're talking on top of FH anyway, it's not as huge as it sounds I don't think. Also, nunu gets to participate in poking via iceballs while udyr has to sit back or full commit to Melee range to do anything offensive. *shrug*, just saying that a farmed Nunu is a defensive trump card in poking wars as long as he has consume targets.


I donno about Athene's though. By the time you get FH you shouldn't be having mana problems. If CDR is an issue, I will just get Morello's. It's cheap CDR/AP with a decent active.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
July 26 2012 15:47 GMT
#154
On July 27 2012 00:40 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 00:44 Mogwai wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:32 Slayer91 wrote:
When do you max Q on top nunu? Also you have to count the relative resist levels of a nunu versus an udyr typically it's gonig to be a lot more similar than you think although it's a shield not a heal.

Typically max Q after E, so by level 13, though I will max it first in certain lanes or if I'm getting camped. Also, Udyr will have slightly higher resists, but not by a ton, I'm typically looking at Frozen Heart, WotA, Unholy Grail as first 3 big ticket items followed by a negatron item with either mercs or tabi for boots. Off the same gold you're looking at like, Wit's + Randuins I guess, so that's an effective 75 extra armor from randuins if you're going balls out defensive spec on Udyr, but since we're talking on top of FH anyway, it's not as huge as it sounds I don't think. Also, nunu gets to participate in poking via iceballs while udyr has to sit back or full commit to Melee range to do anything offensive. *shrug*, just saying that a farmed Nunu is a defensive trump card in poking wars as long as he has consume targets.


I donno about Athene's though. By the time you get FH you shouldn't be having mana problems. If CDR is an issue, I will just get Morello's. It's cheap CDR/AP with a decent active.

People really need to stop telling me about how nunu doesn't have mana problems...

Grail was the missing piece that took my nunu from just another solo top nunu to king nunu. You guys don't need to believe me, but you can check my fucking history and see that it's 9 straight nunu wins, all with the same damn build that rushes grail and FH. The build is absurdly good and if you want to keep living in your world where you can't frontline during poking battles because you run yourself out of mana, go right ahead, but I'm trying to help here.
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
July 26 2012 15:51 GMT
#155
In 1 year smash will be the master of every champ and say how "stupid broken" they all are.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
brolaf
Profile Joined May 2012
291 Posts
July 26 2012 15:52 GMT
#156
On July 27 2012 00:47 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 00:40 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:44 Mogwai wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:32 Slayer91 wrote:
When do you max Q on top nunu? Also you have to count the relative resist levels of a nunu versus an udyr typically it's gonig to be a lot more similar than you think although it's a shield not a heal.

Typically max Q after E, so by level 13, though I will max it first in certain lanes or if I'm getting camped. Also, Udyr will have slightly higher resists, but not by a ton, I'm typically looking at Frozen Heart, WotA, Unholy Grail as first 3 big ticket items followed by a negatron item with either mercs or tabi for boots. Off the same gold you're looking at like, Wit's + Randuins I guess, so that's an effective 75 extra armor from randuins if you're going balls out defensive spec on Udyr, but since we're talking on top of FH anyway, it's not as huge as it sounds I don't think. Also, nunu gets to participate in poking via iceballs while udyr has to sit back or full commit to Melee range to do anything offensive. *shrug*, just saying that a farmed Nunu is a defensive trump card in poking wars as long as he has consume targets.


I donno about Athene's though. By the time you get FH you shouldn't be having mana problems. If CDR is an issue, I will just get Morello's. It's cheap CDR/AP with a decent active.

People really need to stop telling me about how nunu doesn't have mana problems...

Grail was the missing piece that took my nunu from just another solo top nunu to king nunu. You guys don't need to believe me, but you can check my fucking history and see that it's 9 straight nunu wins, all with the same damn build that rushes grail and FH. The build is absurdly good and if you want to keep living in your world where you can't frontline during poking battles because you run yourself out of mana, go right ahead, but I'm trying to help here.

Yeah morello's kinda bad, its like the ugly brother of dfg and athene.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-26 15:56:11
July 26 2012 15:55 GMT
#157
Ok, so MBR is still shit (at least with the build you're running).

But how about sheen/lich (on your ap build) as a 5th/6th item? It's more mana, and more damage on CD while offering some mr/ms. It's pricey, but seems worth it imo

Edit: on morello's tome, you can use it as a counter to BV since the active pops spell shields
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 26 2012 15:56 GMT
#158
On July 27 2012 00:52 brolaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 00:47 Mogwai wrote:
On July 27 2012 00:40 Sufficiency wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:44 Mogwai wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:32 Slayer91 wrote:
When do you max Q on top nunu? Also you have to count the relative resist levels of a nunu versus an udyr typically it's gonig to be a lot more similar than you think although it's a shield not a heal.

Typically max Q after E, so by level 13, though I will max it first in certain lanes or if I'm getting camped. Also, Udyr will have slightly higher resists, but not by a ton, I'm typically looking at Frozen Heart, WotA, Unholy Grail as first 3 big ticket items followed by a negatron item with either mercs or tabi for boots. Off the same gold you're looking at like, Wit's + Randuins I guess, so that's an effective 75 extra armor from randuins if you're going balls out defensive spec on Udyr, but since we're talking on top of FH anyway, it's not as huge as it sounds I don't think. Also, nunu gets to participate in poking via iceballs while udyr has to sit back or full commit to Melee range to do anything offensive. *shrug*, just saying that a farmed Nunu is a defensive trump card in poking wars as long as he has consume targets.


I donno about Athene's though. By the time you get FH you shouldn't be having mana problems. If CDR is an issue, I will just get Morello's. It's cheap CDR/AP with a decent active.

People really need to stop telling me about how nunu doesn't have mana problems...

Grail was the missing piece that took my nunu from just another solo top nunu to king nunu. You guys don't need to believe me, but you can check my fucking history and see that it's 9 straight nunu wins, all with the same damn build that rushes grail and FH. The build is absurdly good and if you want to keep living in your world where you can't frontline during poking battles because you run yourself out of mana, go right ahead, but I'm trying to help here.

Yeah morello's kinda bad, its like the ugly brother of dfg and athene.


It's cheap CDR with good AP. If you want Athene's, great, but there is a 700g difference here. Also Morello's has some mana regen too.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 26 2012 15:56 GMT
#159
On July 27 2012 00:55 101toss wrote:
Ok, so MBR is still shit (at least with the build you're running).

But how about sheen/lich (on your ap build) as a 5th/6th item? It's more mana, and more damage on CD while offering some mr/ms. It's pricey, but seems worth it imo

Edit: on morello's tome, you can use it as a counter to BV since the active pops spell shields


WHat is MBR? :S
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
July 26 2012 15:59 GMT
#160
On July 27 2012 00:56 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 00:55 101toss wrote:
Ok, so MBR is still shit (at least with the build you're running).

But how about sheen/lich (on your ap build) as a 5th/6th item? It's more mana, and more damage on CD while offering some mr/ms. It's pricey, but seems worth it imo

Edit: on morello's tome, you can use it as a counter to BV since the active pops spell shields


WHat is MBR? :S

mandreds shit razer
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
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