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On August 27 2012 12:29 koreasilver wrote:
You only beat Irelia if they're stupid and carelessly use their E before you use your ult. Like you'll run into Irelias that have no idea how to play against Nunu and think they can beat you from lvl 7-9 and on and engage with W on and stunning you, etc. like how you would against anyone else. But if an Irelia engages on you and uses E early, you can then just promptly iceball them and channel your ult and they either have to flash out of it or they'll die immediately (with ignite and another follow up iceball). But if the Irelia is smart then you'll never ever get your ult off on them and consequently be incapable of beating them out of lane. And if it settles into a farm lane then Irelia > Nunu.
That's actually exactly why I kept winning, just baiting out equilibrium strikes. So yeah, 1200 Irelias are bad.
Edit: Hmm, need more practice vs Jax. Thought it'd be an easy win, but he sure as fuck does hurt :\
Probably should have gotten Tabi earlier.
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On August 27 2012 12:36 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:29 koreasilver wrote:
You only beat Irelia if they're stupid and carelessly use their E before you use your ult. Like you'll run into Irelias that have no idea how to play against Nunu and think they can beat you from lvl 7-9 and on and engage with W on and stunning you, etc. like how you would against anyone else. But if an Irelia engages on you and uses E early, you can then just promptly iceball them and channel your ult and they either have to flash out of it or they'll die immediately (with ignite and another follow up iceball). But if the Irelia is smart then you'll never ever get your ult off on them and consequently be incapable of beating them out of lane. And if it settles into a farm lane then Irelia > Nunu. That's actually exactly why I kept winning, just baiting out equilibrium strikes. So yeah, 1200 Irelias are bad. Edit: Hmm, need more practice vs Jax. Thought it'd be an easy win, but he sure as fuck does hurt :\ Probably should have gotten Tabi earlier.
I always find Jax vs Nunu an easy-medium match up for Jax. I played this match up about 5-6 times already I think, and I won most of them. I believe without jungler interference Jax will eventually win.
All Jax needs to do is to get Executioner's Calling. Once he gets it it's all over for Nunu. However, Jax has a lot of tools that will allow him to keep up the pressure and survive until he can actually get this item.
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On August 27 2012 13:58 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:36 Requizen wrote:On August 27 2012 12:29 koreasilver wrote:
You only beat Irelia if they're stupid and carelessly use their E before you use your ult. Like you'll run into Irelias that have no idea how to play against Nunu and think they can beat you from lvl 7-9 and on and engage with W on and stunning you, etc. like how you would against anyone else. But if an Irelia engages on you and uses E early, you can then just promptly iceball them and channel your ult and they either have to flash out of it or they'll die immediately (with ignite and another follow up iceball). But if the Irelia is smart then you'll never ever get your ult off on them and consequently be incapable of beating them out of lane. And if it settles into a farm lane then Irelia > Nunu. That's actually exactly why I kept winning, just baiting out equilibrium strikes. So yeah, 1200 Irelias are bad. Edit: Hmm, need more practice vs Jax. Thought it'd be an easy win, but he sure as fuck does hurt :\ Probably should have gotten Tabi earlier. I always find Jax vs Nunu an easy-medium match up for Jax. I played this match up about 5-6 times already I think, and I won most of them. I believe without jungler interference Jax will eventually win. All Jax needs to do is to get Executioner's Calling. Once he gets it it's all over for Nunu. However, Jax has a lot of tools that will allow him to keep up the pressure and survive until he can actually get this item.
every time i've seen smash play nunu vs jax, he's dunked the jax pretty hard unless enemy jungler camps him
edit: also, exe's calling is not that great of a buy on jax, so in that sense, forcing jax to buy it is a good thing for nunu. Jax typically doesn't itemize for crit past trinity force since empower, leap and the passive part of his ult don't mesh well with it.
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On August 27 2012 12:05 101toss wrote:
So when it comes to building GRB, I think the order should be philo/dring->chalice->GRB
This is since you really need the mana to keep up the 8 stacks effectively
you can auto attack to keep it up you know
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On August 27 2012 13:58 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:36 Requizen wrote:On August 27 2012 12:29 koreasilver wrote:
You only beat Irelia if they're stupid and carelessly use their E before you use your ult. Like you'll run into Irelias that have no idea how to play against Nunu and think they can beat you from lvl 7-9 and on and engage with W on and stunning you, etc. like how you would against anyone else. But if an Irelia engages on you and uses E early, you can then just promptly iceball them and channel your ult and they either have to flash out of it or they'll die immediately (with ignite and another follow up iceball). But if the Irelia is smart then you'll never ever get your ult off on them and consequently be incapable of beating them out of lane. And if it settles into a farm lane then Irelia > Nunu. That's actually exactly why I kept winning, just baiting out equilibrium strikes. So yeah, 1200 Irelias are bad. Edit: Hmm, need more practice vs Jax. Thought it'd be an easy win, but he sure as fuck does hurt :\ Probably should have gotten Tabi earlier. I always find Jax vs Nunu an easy-medium match up for Jax. I played this match up about 5-6 times already I think, and I won most of them. I believe without jungler interference Jax will eventually win. All Jax needs to do is to get Executioner's Calling. Once he gets it it's all over for Nunu. However, Jax has a lot of tools that will allow him to keep up the pressure and survive until he can actually get this item.
I think eventually is the key word there. Both champs can put out pressure (constant snowballs, Jax burst), but unless you completely shove Jax out of the lane altogether, he's going to go Jax mode if he gets an even amount of farm, while you're still Nunu in the late game.
I think my issue was using ult against him in lane. Every time I did, I'd wait for the stun then hit R, but he'd just Ignite me and lay down damage, then kill me and get away with <200 health. I think it's one of those matchups where you have to play like an asshole with snowball harass, because fighting him straight up at all is a pretty bad idea.
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On August 27 2012 17:15 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 12:05 101toss wrote:
So when it comes to building GRB, I think the order should be philo/dring->chalice->GRB
This is since you really need the mana to keep up the 8 stacks effectively you can auto attack to keep it up you know
If you want to kill them you'll need the mp5 or you'll go oom in 6 seconds
Also it's hard to get punches in a Darius or some bully lane
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On August 28 2012 05:55 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 17:15 arb wrote:On August 27 2012 12:05 101toss wrote:
So when it comes to building GRB, I think the order should be philo/dring->chalice->GRB
This is since you really need the mana to keep up the 8 stacks effectively you can auto attack to keep it up you know If you want to kill them you'll need the mp5 or you'll go oom in 6 seconds Also it's hard to get punches in a Darius or some bully lane
You shouldn't get a GRB in a lane where you're getting bullied though.... like, a lot of the cost is spent on AD, if you can't trade autos anyway, you shouldn't be getting GRB. Better off just getting Grail/Shroud/Revolver for attritioning down bully lanes.
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On August 28 2012 06:02 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 05:55 101toss wrote:On August 27 2012 17:15 arb wrote:On August 27 2012 12:05 101toss wrote:
So when it comes to building GRB, I think the order should be philo/dring->chalice->GRB
This is since you really need the mana to keep up the 8 stacks effectively you can auto attack to keep it up you know If you want to kill them you'll need the mp5 or you'll go oom in 6 seconds Also it's hard to get punches in a Darius or some bully lane You shouldn't get a GRB in a lane where you're getting bullied though.... like, a lot of the cost is spent on AD, if you can't trade autos anyway, you shouldn't be getting GRB. Better off just getting Grail/Shroud/Revolver for attritioning down bully lanes.
GRB seems fine vs rumble, but I would still prioritize chalice IMO
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...I agree, but there are still a lot of lanes where you can actually just go Philo -> GRB and gg them out of the lane. The point is that if it's at the point where you can't auto-attack stuff a lot, you shouldn't get GRB, but once you can auto-attack stuff, GRB is really efficient and strong and even if that's before chalice, the fact that you're auto-attacking stuff means that proper management of your passive should let you bully and keep stacks up when you need them just fine.
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asdfg Nidalee. Someone explain this matchup to me, I seem to continually fuck it up. Her harass and sustain seem to equal mine if not better, and then somehow her Cat form burst chunks me for 1/2 my health without a second thought.
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Is nunu supposed to win vs darius, or do I just play against extraordinarily bad players when doing normals with friends? "Nunu, you make me hate myself" - darius last game.
I just wanna know how that matchup would go in a ranked game against people at my skill level (currently slightly below 1700).
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darius eats nunu. he's impossible to trade autos with and you go oom if you try to only iceball without hitting creeps to get passive. but if you go into creeps to get passive up he eats you alive. really really tough matchup imo. one of the few that nunu struggles with
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You get drings in the darius matchup to give some mana and health buffer
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Okay thanks, I've played the matchup a few times, but only against pretty low elo people in normals, so I don't really want to count on the experience i've gotten from those games being accurate.
So you go 2 drings -> chalice with tabi somewhere in there, or do you go glacial before chalice? It seems like chalice could actually benefit you more than some armor in that matchup. He does so much magic/true damage anyways, and chalice lets you spam snowballs.
I went Tabi + Chalice and spamed snowballs. If he hooks you, eat a creep and snowball him, then just walk away from him. Other than that, he shouldn't get THAT many chances to hit you really. If he's slowed, you can lasthit with melee and he shouldn't be able to punish you without using hook.
Is there any vod of Smash (or someone else, for that matter) playing this matchup, so I can get a better understanding of how higher ELO darius' play it out?
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You can also wait for the hook then consume -> ult, but there's also the chance that he can just burst you to death during the channel. If you have the armor, though, he has to flash or eat the full ult.
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I love when the enemy team has a Yorick while I'm Nunu. Consume/Heal all dayyy
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Recent matchups and thoughts:
Yorick: Lol.
Rumble: FUCK. Bullshit damage, harass, shield, everything about this champion is dumb and I hate him.
Darius: Rolled him so hard that he lane switched with Brand. I ran my defense page out of fear, but I don't think it was necessary. Consume and yeti fists give you good early trades, and then snowballs until he dies.
Edit:
Lee was so much of a fucking joke it wasn't even funny. Again, low ELO so he may have just sucked, but I won so hard his children will feel it. Like, to the tune of 2-0 and 50 CS to 12.
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What about vs Singed?
I played one game against him and it felt pretty evenish. Later on I felt like I could slowly edge him out of lane, but tt seemed that, Singed + Jungle ganks > Nunu + Jungle ganks.
Also, what about Nunu vs Malphite?
I felt like I had an advantage, but late game malphite ults are pretty good. Early on I felt like I couldn't iceball him out of lane because of mana issues and his shield. Later on he got blue buff because their jungle and mid didn't need it and we were trading evenly (I didn't have blue buff, just chalice lol). Still felt like his late game was like mine except his AOE ult was a knockup and mine was not.
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nunu stomps malphite, get rageblade, administer beats, gg. Malphite can never keep up with your sustain and you crush him in lane. yes, his ult is a gamechanger later, but if you can pressure and force him to stay top or lose towers, you can end up far enough ahead to crush him.
singed is a win for you, but don't get rageblade. you can never punch him, just rush grail and spam snowballs until he dies.
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only thing u can do with malphite vs nunu is take tp and eat the enemy botlane like they are little helpless corgis 
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