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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 26 2012 05:39 GMT
#721
On August 26 2012 14:34 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 14:31 Mogwai wrote:
On August 26 2012 14:31 Requizen wrote:
How does that fit into the build? Wand instead of Kage and GRB after Chalice?

yes

I take it Glacial first if it's a hard hitting AD? I would feel awfully squishy without that Chain Vest in some situations.

no, just tabi if you need them. stop being a little girl and start being a mothafuggin' manly as shit Yeti and bring the beats.
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zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
August 26 2012 07:51 GMT
#722
On August 26 2012 14:39 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 14:34 Requizen wrote:
On August 26 2012 14:31 Mogwai wrote:
On August 26 2012 14:31 Requizen wrote:
How does that fit into the build? Wand instead of Kage and GRB after Chalice?

yes

I take it Glacial first if it's a hard hitting AD? I would feel awfully squishy without that Chain Vest in some situations.

no, just tabi if you need them. stop being a little girl and start being a mothafuggin' manly as shit Yeti and bring the beats.


Best advice I've heard in a while :D
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 26 2012 16:44 GMT
#723
Do you think nunu is like a counter to yorick? When I say counter I don't mean "turns into farmfest". AP yi can turn top lane into a farmfest. I mean nunu's consume can eat yorick's orange minion effectively shutting down most of his sustain.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11971 Posts
August 26 2012 16:47 GMT
#724
Try it with some guy who plays yorick, and report your findings back. But i think this debate was here in this thread before, and the problem is that his ghuls have less cd then your consume for a long period of the earlygame unless you max it first, which would stop him from needing any sustain since you can't do anything except eat stuff.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 26 2012 16:55 GMT
#725
Yorick isn't a huge problem if you just focus down his healing ghouls and spam snowballs, I found. The other ones hurt, but you can juke them and harass him back, eventually he'll have to go back.

I got forced to play jungle Nunu in a game. Things went ok :\

It's not quite the same as making the enemy top completely useless the entire game, but whatever.
It's your boy Guzma!
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 26 2012 17:10 GMT
#726
On August 27 2012 01:44 obesechicken13 wrote:
Do you think nunu is like a counter to yorick? When I say counter I don't mean "turns into farmfest". AP yi can turn top lane into a farmfest. I mean nunu's consume can eat yorick's orange minion effectively shutting down most of his sustain.

Nunu counters yorick but it takes a little while to get to the point where you really get to beat on him. I typically start QEQWQ vs. yorrick before starting to max E.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 17:17:44
August 26 2012 17:17 GMT
#727
On August 27 2012 01:47 Simberto wrote:
Try it with some guy who plays yorick, and report your findings back. But i think this debate was here in this thread before, and the problem is that his ghuls have less cd then your consume for a long period of the earlygame unless you max it first, which would stop him from needing any sustain since you can't do anything except eat stuff.

That's what I was worried about. Ah well top lane farmfest it is.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 17:52:21
August 26 2012 17:40 GMT
#728
But yeah, GRB is fucking amazing on him. Snowball/BB win every trade ever and punch shit like a man.

Edit: Irelia has to be the easiest fucking lane I've faced. Maybe bad Irelias, but the last few I've been up 2 kills and 60 farm ezpz. She really can't do much about Snowball to the face since her sustain relies on autoattacks. The last 2 just gave up and sat at tower.
It's your boy Guzma!
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 18:25:00
August 26 2012 18:24 GMT
#729
On August 27 2012 02:10 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 01:44 obesechicken13 wrote:
Do you think nunu is like a counter to yorick? When I say counter I don't mean "turns into farmfest". AP yi can turn top lane into a farmfest. I mean nunu's consume can eat yorick's orange minion effectively shutting down most of his sustain.

Nunu counters yorick but it takes a little while to get to the point where you really get to beat on him. I typically start QEQWQ vs. yorrick before starting to max E.

Don't you only need 2 points in Q to insta-nom his ghouls until mid-lategame?
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 26 2012 18:24 GMT
#730
i disagree pretty heavily requizen, i think irelia is probably nunu's hardest lane besides maybe riven
you can't trade with her because even if you pop snowball, she can activate W, get a Q on you (which procs W) then either try to continue fighting with true damage (you have no stun to stop her) or E and walk away if you're on top. it's a really delicate lane and i'd give the advantage pretty heavily to irelia.
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 26 2012 18:25 GMT
#731
On August 27 2012 03:24 gtrsrs wrote:
i disagree pretty heavily requizen, i think irelia is probably nunu's hardest lane besides maybe riven
you can't trade with her because even if you pop snowball, she can activate W, get a Q on you (which procs W) then either try to continue fighting with true damage (you have no stun to stop her) or E and walk away if you're on top. it's a really delicate lane and i'd give the advantage pretty heavily to irelia.

Um, if Irelia presses W, you snowball her and run away. Not very hard.
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 26 2012 18:26 GMT
#732
On August 27 2012 02:40 Requizen wrote:
But yeah, GRB is fucking amazing on him. Snowball/BB win every trade ever and punch shit like a man.

Edit: Irelia has to be the easiest fucking lane I've faced. Maybe bad Irelias, but the last few I've been up 2 kills and 60 farm ezpz. She really can't do much about Snowball to the face since her sustain relies on autoattacks. The last 2 just gave up and sat at tower.


Irelia is very difficult to play against due to her true damage and innate sustain. I think Nunu's 4 greatest foes are (in this order): Vladimir, Irelia, Yorick, Nidalee.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 26 2012 18:27 GMT
#733
On August 27 2012 03:26 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 02:40 Requizen wrote:
But yeah, GRB is fucking amazing on him. Snowball/BB win every trade ever and punch shit like a man.

Edit: Irelia has to be the easiest fucking lane I've faced. Maybe bad Irelias, but the last few I've been up 2 kills and 60 farm ezpz. She really can't do much about Snowball to the face since her sustain relies on autoattacks. The last 2 just gave up and sat at tower.


Irelia is very difficult to play against due to her true damage and innate sustain. I think Nunu's 4 greatest foes are (in this order): Vladimir, Irelia, Yorick, Nidalee.

Vladimir and nidalee are no match for hybrid rune yeti fists, I'm dead fucking serious
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 26 2012 18:28 GMT
#734
On August 27 2012 03:24 gtrsrs wrote:
i disagree pretty heavily requizen, i think irelia is probably nunu's hardest lane besides maybe riven
you can't trade with her because even if you pop snowball, she can activate W, get a Q on you (which procs W) then either try to continue fighting with true damage (you have no stun to stop her) or E and walk away if you're on top. it's a really delicate lane and i'd give the advantage pretty heavily to irelia.

Hm, entirely likely, but I've had nothing but success with it. It probably has a lot with people wasting Q, as long as I know it's down (she uses it to get to me instead of to a low minion nearby to reset the CD), I have no issue WE and walking away safely. As soon as she uses Equilibrium, I feel free to consume and ult without her being able to do anything about it. I also run Ignite to trade with her a bit easier, though it doesn't help that much.

May change as I get higher in ELO.
It's your boy Guzma!
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
August 26 2012 18:29 GMT
#735
On August 27 2012 03:25 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 03:24 gtrsrs wrote:
i disagree pretty heavily requizen, i think irelia is probably nunu's hardest lane besides maybe riven
you can't trade with her because even if you pop snowball, she can activate W, get a Q on you (which procs W) then either try to continue fighting with true damage (you have no stun to stop her) or E and walk away if you're on top. it's a really delicate lane and i'd give the advantage pretty heavily to irelia.

Um, if Irelia presses W, you snowball her and run away. Not very hard.


irelia has a gapcloser
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
August 26 2012 18:30 GMT
#736
On August 27 2012 03:27 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 03:26 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 27 2012 02:40 Requizen wrote:
But yeah, GRB is fucking amazing on him. Snowball/BB win every trade ever and punch shit like a man.

Edit: Irelia has to be the easiest fucking lane I've faced. Maybe bad Irelias, but the last few I've been up 2 kills and 60 farm ezpz. She really can't do much about Snowball to the face since her sustain relies on autoattacks. The last 2 just gave up and sat at tower.


Irelia is very difficult to play against due to her true damage and innate sustain. I think Nunu's 4 greatest foes are (in this order): Vladimir, Irelia, Yorick, Nidalee.

Vladimir and nidalee are no match for hybrid rune yeti fists, I'm dead fucking serious


Vladimir doesn't even need to trade against Nunu. He just needs to sustain himself and push the lane 24/7.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 26 2012 18:43 GMT
#737
On August 27 2012 03:30 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 03:27 101toss wrote:
On August 27 2012 03:26 Sufficiency wrote:
On August 27 2012 02:40 Requizen wrote:
But yeah, GRB is fucking amazing on him. Snowball/BB win every trade ever and punch shit like a man.

Edit: Irelia has to be the easiest fucking lane I've faced. Maybe bad Irelias, but the last few I've been up 2 kills and 60 farm ezpz. She really can't do much about Snowball to the face since her sustain relies on autoattacks. The last 2 just gave up and sat at tower.


Irelia is very difficult to play against due to her true damage and innate sustain. I think Nunu's 4 greatest foes are (in this order): Vladimir, Irelia, Yorick, Nidalee.

Vladimir and nidalee are no match for hybrid rune yeti fists, I'm dead fucking serious


Vladimir doesn't even need to trade against Nunu. He just needs to sustain himself and push the lane 24/7.

I dunno, but around 1600 elo I haven't lost a nunu vs vlad lane yet
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
affinity
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States266 Posts
August 26 2012 19:06 GMT
#738
Holy shit, I feel so strong with rageblade. Just destroyed a lee top with mighty yeti paws. If he even thought about exchanging with me he died...
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 27 2012 03:05 GMT
#739
So when it comes to building GRB, I think the order should be philo/dring->chalice->GRB

This is since you really need the mana to keep up the 8 stacks effectively
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 03:29:37
August 27 2012 03:29 GMT
#740
You only beat Irelia if they're stupid and carelessly use their E before you use your ult. Like you'll run into Irelias that have no idea how to play against Nunu and think they can beat you from lvl 7-9 and on and engage with W on and stunning you, etc. like how you would against anyone else. But if an Irelia engages on you and uses E early, you can then just promptly iceball them and channel your ult and they either have to flash out of it or they'll die immediately (with ignite and another follow up iceball). But if the Irelia is smart then you'll never ever get your ult off on them and consequently be incapable of beating them out of lane. And if it settles into a farm lane then Irelia > Nunu.
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