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On August 26 2012 14:34 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 14:31 Mogwai wrote:On August 26 2012 14:31 Requizen wrote: How does that fit into the build? Wand instead of Kage and GRB after Chalice? yes I take it Glacial first if it's a hard hitting AD? I would feel awfully squishy without that Chain Vest in some situations. no, just tabi if you need them. stop being a little girl and start being a mothafuggin' manly as shit Yeti and bring the beats.
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On August 26 2012 14:39 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 14:34 Requizen wrote:On August 26 2012 14:31 Mogwai wrote:On August 26 2012 14:31 Requizen wrote: How does that fit into the build? Wand instead of Kage and GRB after Chalice? yes I take it Glacial first if it's a hard hitting AD? I would feel awfully squishy without that Chain Vest in some situations. no, just tabi if you need them. stop being a little girl and start being a mothafuggin' manly as shit Yeti and bring the beats.
Best advice I've heard in a while :D
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Do you think nunu is like a counter to yorick? When I say counter I don't mean "turns into farmfest". AP yi can turn top lane into a farmfest. I mean nunu's consume can eat yorick's orange minion effectively shutting down most of his sustain.
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Try it with some guy who plays yorick, and report your findings back. But i think this debate was here in this thread before, and the problem is that his ghuls have less cd then your consume for a long period of the earlygame unless you max it first, which would stop him from needing any sustain since you can't do anything except eat stuff.
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Yorick isn't a huge problem if you just focus down his healing ghouls and spam snowballs, I found. The other ones hurt, but you can juke them and harass him back, eventually he'll have to go back.
I got forced to play jungle Nunu in a game. Things went ok :\
It's not quite the same as making the enemy top completely useless the entire game, but whatever.
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On August 27 2012 01:44 obesechicken13 wrote: Do you think nunu is like a counter to yorick? When I say counter I don't mean "turns into farmfest". AP yi can turn top lane into a farmfest. I mean nunu's consume can eat yorick's orange minion effectively shutting down most of his sustain. Nunu counters yorick but it takes a little while to get to the point where you really get to beat on him. I typically start QEQWQ vs. yorrick before starting to max E.
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On August 27 2012 01:47 Simberto wrote: Try it with some guy who plays yorick, and report your findings back. But i think this debate was here in this thread before, and the problem is that his ghuls have less cd then your consume for a long period of the earlygame unless you max it first, which would stop him from needing any sustain since you can't do anything except eat stuff. That's what I was worried about. Ah well top lane farmfest it is.
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But yeah, GRB is fucking amazing on him. Snowball/BB win every trade ever and punch shit like a man.
Edit: Irelia has to be the easiest fucking lane I've faced. Maybe bad Irelias, but the last few I've been up 2 kills and 60 farm ezpz. She really can't do much about Snowball to the face since her sustain relies on autoattacks. The last 2 just gave up and sat at tower.
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On August 27 2012 02:10 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 01:44 obesechicken13 wrote: Do you think nunu is like a counter to yorick? When I say counter I don't mean "turns into farmfest". AP yi can turn top lane into a farmfest. I mean nunu's consume can eat yorick's orange minion effectively shutting down most of his sustain. Nunu counters yorick but it takes a little while to get to the point where you really get to beat on him. I typically start QEQWQ vs. yorrick before starting to max E. Don't you only need 2 points in Q to insta-nom his ghouls until mid-lategame?
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i disagree pretty heavily requizen, i think irelia is probably nunu's hardest lane besides maybe riven you can't trade with her because even if you pop snowball, she can activate W, get a Q on you (which procs W) then either try to continue fighting with true damage (you have no stun to stop her) or E and walk away if you're on top. it's a really delicate lane and i'd give the advantage pretty heavily to irelia.
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On August 27 2012 03:24 gtrsrs wrote: i disagree pretty heavily requizen, i think irelia is probably nunu's hardest lane besides maybe riven you can't trade with her because even if you pop snowball, she can activate W, get a Q on you (which procs W) then either try to continue fighting with true damage (you have no stun to stop her) or E and walk away if you're on top. it's a really delicate lane and i'd give the advantage pretty heavily to irelia. Um, if Irelia presses W, you snowball her and run away. Not very hard.
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On August 27 2012 02:40 Requizen wrote: But yeah, GRB is fucking amazing on him. Snowball/BB win every trade ever and punch shit like a man.
Edit: Irelia has to be the easiest fucking lane I've faced. Maybe bad Irelias, but the last few I've been up 2 kills and 60 farm ezpz. She really can't do much about Snowball to the face since her sustain relies on autoattacks. The last 2 just gave up and sat at tower.
Irelia is very difficult to play against due to her true damage and innate sustain. I think Nunu's 4 greatest foes are (in this order): Vladimir, Irelia, Yorick, Nidalee.
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On August 27 2012 03:26 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 02:40 Requizen wrote: But yeah, GRB is fucking amazing on him. Snowball/BB win every trade ever and punch shit like a man.
Edit: Irelia has to be the easiest fucking lane I've faced. Maybe bad Irelias, but the last few I've been up 2 kills and 60 farm ezpz. She really can't do much about Snowball to the face since her sustain relies on autoattacks. The last 2 just gave up and sat at tower. Irelia is very difficult to play against due to her true damage and innate sustain. I think Nunu's 4 greatest foes are (in this order): Vladimir, Irelia, Yorick, Nidalee. Vladimir and nidalee are no match for hybrid rune yeti fists, I'm dead fucking serious
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On August 27 2012 03:24 gtrsrs wrote: i disagree pretty heavily requizen, i think irelia is probably nunu's hardest lane besides maybe riven you can't trade with her because even if you pop snowball, she can activate W, get a Q on you (which procs W) then either try to continue fighting with true damage (you have no stun to stop her) or E and walk away if you're on top. it's a really delicate lane and i'd give the advantage pretty heavily to irelia. Hm, entirely likely, but I've had nothing but success with it. It probably has a lot with people wasting Q, as long as I know it's down (she uses it to get to me instead of to a low minion nearby to reset the CD), I have no issue WE and walking away safely. As soon as she uses Equilibrium, I feel free to consume and ult without her being able to do anything about it. I also run Ignite to trade with her a bit easier, though it doesn't help that much.
May change as I get higher in ELO.
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On August 27 2012 03:25 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:24 gtrsrs wrote: i disagree pretty heavily requizen, i think irelia is probably nunu's hardest lane besides maybe riven you can't trade with her because even if you pop snowball, she can activate W, get a Q on you (which procs W) then either try to continue fighting with true damage (you have no stun to stop her) or E and walk away if you're on top. it's a really delicate lane and i'd give the advantage pretty heavily to irelia. Um, if Irelia presses W, you snowball her and run away. Not very hard.
irelia has a gapcloser
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On August 27 2012 03:27 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:26 Sufficiency wrote:On August 27 2012 02:40 Requizen wrote: But yeah, GRB is fucking amazing on him. Snowball/BB win every trade ever and punch shit like a man.
Edit: Irelia has to be the easiest fucking lane I've faced. Maybe bad Irelias, but the last few I've been up 2 kills and 60 farm ezpz. She really can't do much about Snowball to the face since her sustain relies on autoattacks. The last 2 just gave up and sat at tower. Irelia is very difficult to play against due to her true damage and innate sustain. I think Nunu's 4 greatest foes are (in this order): Vladimir, Irelia, Yorick, Nidalee. Vladimir and nidalee are no match for hybrid rune yeti fists, I'm dead fucking serious
Vladimir doesn't even need to trade against Nunu. He just needs to sustain himself and push the lane 24/7.
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On August 27 2012 03:30 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 03:27 101toss wrote:On August 27 2012 03:26 Sufficiency wrote:On August 27 2012 02:40 Requizen wrote: But yeah, GRB is fucking amazing on him. Snowball/BB win every trade ever and punch shit like a man.
Edit: Irelia has to be the easiest fucking lane I've faced. Maybe bad Irelias, but the last few I've been up 2 kills and 60 farm ezpz. She really can't do much about Snowball to the face since her sustain relies on autoattacks. The last 2 just gave up and sat at tower. Irelia is very difficult to play against due to her true damage and innate sustain. I think Nunu's 4 greatest foes are (in this order): Vladimir, Irelia, Yorick, Nidalee. Vladimir and nidalee are no match for hybrid rune yeti fists, I'm dead fucking serious Vladimir doesn't even need to trade against Nunu. He just needs to sustain himself and push the lane 24/7. I dunno, but around 1600 elo I haven't lost a nunu vs vlad lane yet
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Holy shit, I feel so strong with rageblade. Just destroyed a lee top with mighty yeti paws. If he even thought about exchanging with me he died...
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So when it comes to building GRB, I think the order should be philo/dring->chalice->GRB
This is since you really need the mana to keep up the 8 stacks effectively
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You only beat Irelia if they're stupid and carelessly use their E before you use your ult. Like you'll run into Irelias that have no idea how to play against Nunu and think they can beat you from lvl 7-9 and on and engage with W on and stunning you, etc. like how you would against anyone else. But if an Irelia engages on you and uses E early, you can then just promptly iceball them and channel your ult and they either have to flash out of it or they'll die immediately (with ignite and another follow up iceball). But if the Irelia is smart then you'll never ever get your ult off on them and consequently be incapable of beating them out of lane. And if it settles into a farm lane then Irelia > Nunu.
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