I've been experimenting with blasting wand instead of kage's pick, then building a GRB after chalice. The jury's still out on it, but once every 6 months I look at the stat efficiency on max stack GRB and I can't help but try to make the damn thing work.

Sufficiency

Canada23833 Posts

August 24 2012 21:37 GMT

#702

On August 25 2012 05:39 Mogwai wrote:
I've been experimenting with blasting wand instead of kage's pick, then building a GRB after chalice. The jury's still out on it, but once every 6 months I look at the stat efficiency on max stack GRB and I can't help but try to make the damn thing work.

sry what is GRB?

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

August 24 2012 21:38 GMT

#703

On August 25 2012 06:37 Sufficiency wrote:

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sry what is GRB?

guinsoo's rage blade

Simberto

Germany11505 Posts

August 24 2012 21:42 GMT

#704

I had wondered the same, but after some research into what builds out of a blasting wand, it apparently is Guinsoos Rageblade. Why you'd want to build that on nunu, i have no idea. Though i also don't really like getting most GP10s on him, since none of them build into stuff you want, at least as top nunu. You will be getting your CDR from chalice and frozen heart, so you don't want philo or kages, since you don't want additional CDR from Shurelyas or DFG.

HoG might be interesting if you want even more armor and annoyingness for AD carries from Randuins, but then general consensus appears to be that HoG usually sucks, even if you want randuins. I am not a fan of building GP10s that you won't build into something lateron.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

August 24 2012 22:33 GMT

#705

I love Kage's Pick on top lane Nunu.

You get it really early (I try to get it first back), the 25 AP helps top lane early game, and it's not like you're gonna be 6 slots full of items until really late game, and that doesn't happen very often. By the time I need to put something high tier in that item slot the pick has already paid for itself, and I'll probably sell it for an Abyssal Scepter or something.

Simberto

Germany11505 Posts

August 24 2012 23:27 GMT

#706

The question is, is that pick worth it to delay your core? When you can afford that pick, you can nearly afford a chalice, too, which then solves all your manaproblems forever. Or you could get part of a glacial shrowd or the fiendish codex, which would both increase your damage through the CDR they give. I am just not convinced that 25 AP is worth delaying that core. Of course, if you are already completely winning your lane, you could get it, to get some additional money, but then you could also use that money to get more immediately useful items for teamfights.

I think you need pretty extraordinary circumstances too make gp10 items that you never plan to upgrade into something worth it. You are giving up some immediate strength for a few hundred gold later down the line when you sell that item. Thus, you would need a situation where you can't get any benefit out of those additional stats for a prolongued period of time, and are reasonably sure of that. I doubt that happens too often. If you get it on your first back, and can't afford a chalice in addition to that, you suddenly increase the time where you are mana-constrained by a lot, which can be problematic.

I don't see the problem in getting gp10s in that they block a slot, it is that they delay your core and need a much longer time to pay off if you don't plan to build them into something else. If you want something they build into, the gp10 is just an added bonus that you get for some time until you finish that item. But if you don't want anything they build into, you must keep them in your inventory for quite some time to even break even, and then some more for it to be worth it. During all this time, you use a subpar item just for it to maybe pay off lateron, and i doubt that very often you could not have had more effects from having a better item to start with.

But i won't act like i am any sort of expert, others have a lot more experience with this then i do. These are just my thoughts.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

August 25 2012 00:27 GMT

#707

Well, you get Philo and Pick for the midgame income. Nunu has issues with midgame farming since he doesn't really have AoE wave clearing, since most midgame farm comes from quickly hitting a pulling lane, blowing it up fast and getting back to your team, which nunu can't do. I mean, I never do worse than breaking even on philo/pick, and typically I'm selling philo after it's earned me 600-700 gold, which is a net +210-310 gold, whereas selling say a dring hits you for -237 gold.

GRB experiment is going really well actually, it's sick for soloing people. It's leaving me with low CDR at weird timing though, so I'm still figuring out when I want to get it, but it's really good in skirmishes and cleaning up teamfights + it's a huge buff to his tower pushing.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

August 25 2012 00:28 GMT

#708

See, that's the thing. Nobody ever feels like having a Ruby Crystal's worth of extra gold is a huge deal lategame, but having a Kage's pick vs. real items in lane feels very significant.

Bladeorade

United States1898 Posts

August 25 2012 00:39 GMT

#709

I have been skipping Philo and Kages for a while, Grail/Glacial/WotA 1600 gold sooner is better, dont need philo for sustain, dont need kages for anything. If i really want early AP I'd rather get an amp tome and sit on it until i can get revolver, but generally chalice is enough for all things sustain.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

August 25 2012 00:43 GMT

#710

chalice gets drastically better with other sources of mana regen. If you really hate g/10, get drings, they're really fucking good.

Bladeorade

United States1898 Posts

August 25 2012 00:45 GMT

#711

I do like 1 or 2 drings depending on when I back/how much gold I have as an extra HP buffer for when consume is on cooldown. Every stat is what Nunu needs early game.

zodde

Sweden1908 Posts

August 25 2012 04:47 GMT

#712

I find the stronger early game of dorans might give you enough advantage to outweigh the gold you get from GP10 tbh. You also don't want shurelias since you're already capped on CDR and you don't want DFG for the same reason. Getting Kages and Philo just for the gold doesn't seem to outweigh the stronger laning phase.

Gonna try GRB, fun item :3

Leeto

United States1320 Posts

August 25 2012 18:51 GMT

#713

Balls going top Nunu in MLG vs Westrice Darius. Went philo and heart of gold into zekes. Thoughts on this build?

arb

Noobville17921 Posts

August 25 2012 19:11 GMT

#714

On August 26 2012 03:51 Leeto wrote:
Balls going top Nunu in MLG vs Westrice Darius. Went philo and heart of gold into zekes. Thoughts on this build?

zekes hella strong

De4ngus

United States6533 Posts

August 25 2012 19:24 GMT

#715

On August 26 2012 03:51 Leeto wrote:
Balls going top Nunu in MLG vs Westrice Darius. Went philo and heart of gold into zekes. Thoughts on this build?

this is pretty much how i was playing toplane nunu before athenes came out. i just built tanky aura items.

DURRHURRDERP

Canada929 Posts

August 26 2012 03:03 GMT

#716

I'm 26-7 with Nunu top (or mid) since July 31st running 9/21 (and 9/15/6 for a short while at the start) masteries and buildwise: 2dring -> FH or 2dring -> Chalice -> FH.

I tried Smash's build initially (went 0-3 with it

) but I got fucked a lot early game since I didn't realize how squishy Nunu is with that build. After that I tried some 9/15/6 build getting mana regen, but after talking to Smash (where he said something to the effect of "might as well run 9/21") I've been doing 9/21 ever since. This setup is definitely beastly as fuck in lane (you can essentially go man-mode on anyone) and is good for lazy people who can't be bothered chipping people down slowly over time (I just auto people 24/7 + press E). Also, maxing Q first vs hard lanes like Riven/Lee really really helps no matter what build you run.

edit: And you can 2 man (with jungle) baron once you have FH (easily).