EPTWhen I do the regi route, my smites not up by the time I go to red, do I wait or finish wraiths first or just do it?
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
When I do the regi route, my smites not up by the time I go to red, do I wait or finish wraiths first or just do it? | ||
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Navi
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your autoattack applies your slow as well, so i suppose the optimal gank pattern is q->backstab + crit -> box and autos and e as needed. if you can catch them with a decieve -> autoattack, do that. else use e to apply the slow. if you're using the e as a source of damage, use it inbetween autoattacks for maximum damage output. goliath online | ||
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
I'm looking for another jungler and deciding between shaco and trundle. | ||
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Navi
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On January 21 2011 15:00 Khul Sadukar wrote: So the verdict is Shaco can still jungle well? I'm looking for another jungler and deciding between shaco and trundle. he seemed perfectly doable in a random normal i played today, i figure that putting boxes well so that you can get backstabs is a bit more important than usual for health and clear times tho (as in if you don't do it right at blue ur kinda fked lol) | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
If the path isn't working for you, you can smite red or one of the small golems (you'll be slower of course). | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Navi
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On January 21 2011 16:35 zulu_nation8 wrote: I'm definitely doing something wrong since my health is usually way too low by the time I do red. How do I take the least damage while jungling? eat lots of pots, use boxes to avoid damage from big lizard (and smallgols if u decide to not gank). | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On January 21 2011 16:35 zulu_nation8 wrote: I'm definitely doing something wrong since my health is usually way too low by the time I do red. How do I take the least damage while jungling? try waiting an extra 10 seconds to place another box at the lizard before you fight it | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Also, putting an extra jitb means you will have to wait for decieve... like wait real long... cuz no mana. | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
On January 21 2011 20:19 Frolossus wrote: try waiting an extra 10 seconds to place another box at the lizard before you fight it If you want to try this, you definitely need to do it in a practice game before a real game. Jitbs last only 90 seconds so if you waste too much time on small golems and wait to put an extra jitb at red, there will be a chance that your previous jitb(s) might expire. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
nvm I just did it with slightly less than half hp, how much hp should I have? | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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zulu_nation8
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Navi
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hitting the "home" button does make it so u go back to the item frontpage tho | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Cloth+5pot ezpz | ||
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FlameSworD
United States414 Posts
edit but i use armor yellow to | ||
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FlameSworD
United States414 Posts
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On January 23 2011 13:42 zulu_nation8 wrote: So I've tried many times but I just can't do the regi route. Either I get down to almost no hp after lizard and have to bluepill or I can't even finish lizard. I'm running apen/mp5/mp5/hp, 11/0/19 or 20/0/10. I've tried starting red after smiting big wraith but I don't know where to go after that. What's a good and safe route people do nowadays? nvm I just did it with slightly less than half hp, how much hp should I have? I suggest running armor seals and 1/14/15 masteries, gives you the beefiness you need. Personally I run offensive quints and reds on jungle shaco (ASPD or Armorpene, depends if I start on regi route or blue). but you should all try starting blue,putting ALL your boxes there. at 1:40 smite the big wolf, finish it off and run off to kill golem. It will have 400 or so hp iirc (one of my boxes allways hits small lizard instead). Then you run off to get their lizard buff and one of their small golems, now you can gank their jungler, mid or top with dual buff ghost and around half HP. You might not be able to do one of the small golems sometimes, if they have a fast jungler (like rammus / udyr). But you will allways get the lizard, though it will be close so I suggest you take their lizard into the brush. If you dont feel comfy with stealing their red (If you think their jungler is fast or for some reason skipping wraiths, then do it in your own jungle. You will be level 3-4 same time as the midlane. The personal reason why I consider the regi route a gimmick is that if you want to play a passive shaco style or if the lanes somehow isnt ripe for ganking then you can use the blue buff to spamm E for a way better jungle speed bonus than redbuff is. Sometimes I even wait with Q til lvl 4 if no lanes are gankable. Remember if a lane suddenly is gankable you still have ghost, red and a ranged slow. You can fucken kill them. One of the amazing things about shaco is that he is probally the fastest dragoners in game right now, he is one of the fastest junglers to reach lvl 6 + wriggles if he gets some ganks in and skips boots for a faster wriggles you can do drag at lvl 6 by letting clone / jitb tank it. Sometimes dragon is annoying and attack you, then you can make him atack your clone by. 1: Deceiving 2: throwing a jitb you generally wanna try to throw the JITB first, since if you put deceive on cooldown you dont have any escape mechanics and then youre suddenly very vulnerable to ganks. This was my take on the Shaco playstyle early game, lategame revolves about running around being an ass to the enemies sidelane and throwing jitb's everywhere around where you push so you can just run away from them :D oh and my build is cloth armor + 5pot, wriggles/madreds + boots followed by the one you didnt get before, boots of mobillity, then triforce if its gonna be a backdoor game (youre better at running away + sheen is baws vs turrets). Madreds if its gonna be a baron focused game. after wriggles / boots of mobillity get a negatron / red elixir whenever needed. Build the negatron into whatever you need it. FoN for poke game, Banshees if you have to teamfight, quicksilver if you really cant get out of CC (mercs might be recommended in this case too). Games usually dont last that long after trinity / madreds but I'd follow trinity up with IE and madreds up with BT (not sure if malady is better than BT in this scenario, havent really played that lategame). | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
On January 23 2011 16:43 TheYango wrote: Recommended Item Changer Cloth+5pot ezpz I linked the two good ones on the wiki. They both have issues with patching, but the second one has a better recovery. http://liquidlol.wikispaces.com/Software | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On January 24 2011 11:59 FlameSworD wrote: and btw the build i do is laturn zerk 3dblade infiegde ;o its pretty good cause your so strong after u buy dblades why do you need the dblades? the only stat really significant from those 3 dblades is the HP (as sheen does more burst damage, a BF, while admittedly more expensive, would give far better AD benefits for not that much more price and build into something useful, and wriggles should give enough lifesteal to keep your hp up in the jungle and since you a melee champ you would be lucky to be nonstop autoing for lifesteal like a ranged carry could). just straight up rushing iedge or building into sheen if you need the dps would probably be more efficient (getting some EHP if you need the survivability really badly, but tankshaco probably isn't the best way to play him lol). | ||
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