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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
On September 01 2011 02:16 Southlight wrote: The Jewer gets like a Black Cleaver and stacks Tiamats and BDs all games :x not completely true, he has a lot of different builds..thats just one of 'em | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
On September 01 2011 09:05 Southlight wrote: Oh, that's all I've ever seen him do anyways >_> he didnt use tiamat in the rammus brand game, he had like IE cleaver double thirster or something like that for that game | ||
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
game lasted super long so i had a full item build of deathcap, gunblade, dfg, void staff, lich bane it was super fun lol | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Does anybody at all still play him? And if so, how do you effectively jungle him with the change to JitB aggro (Regi's old guides don't apply  )Just standard Blue -->wolves--> wraiths, etc.? | ||
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On September 07 2011 17:08 SHr3DD3r wrote: If you place the boxes right where you think the creep will spawn, the boxes attack just that target. So you can still do Regi's route. From what I saw when you jungled him that patch completely removed all those random fuckups they sometimes did before, didn't it? | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 07 2011 22:37 r.Evo wrote: From what I saw when you jungled him that patch completely removed all those random fuckups they sometimes did before, didn't it? No, it's worse. The boxes don't randomly aggro anymore which is ok I guess, but fear send the monsters flying every which way so getting them to turn around so you can attack them from behind is a bitch. And SHredder is right, the only way to get them to attack what you want is to stack them on top of a monster. | ||
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ScarPe
Germany392 Posts
On September 07 2011 15:08 WaveofShadow wrote: So, since Shaco has not been free since sometime last year, I've taken to trying him out this week, and naturally, I'm terrible. Does anybody at all still play him? And if so, how do you effectively jungle him with the change to JitB aggro (Regi's old guides don't apply )Just standard Blue -->wolves--> wraiths, etc.? shaco is a decent jungler, yes. but i play this game since the beta and i LOVE to play him on AD and lane. you need a good CC allie and you have to coordinate the attack, and it still works out great. still, its very hard to play, as he is very squishy. if flash would be removed, shaco would get a little reroll, because thats the only thing, how you get away from a shaco who is chasing you. in my opinion shaco needs to get buffed again. the nerfs at the beginning just were hilariously hard. less hp, less movespeed, less passive dmg, longer q cooldown, lesser basedamage. this is literally EVERY stat, that a stealther/assasin/chaser as shaco is, really needs to be efficient. also i do not play him with "common" itembuilds. i dont take madreds for example. you need amor penetration and critdamage + triforce. this makes its possible to you to decieve enemy carry -> 50% hp gone -> a few auto hits -> dead -> job done. my highest decieve was like 1,6k at around 35 minutes, when the game went very well. (though i do not remember the runeset, but i guess it was full critdamage) still, as shaco, you have to get the kill when you use decieve offensively, but flash normally helps those noobs to get away with ease. i just hate that summoner spell, as it forgives major mistakes like every 5(??) minutes in the game? just ridiculous. | ||
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brobear
United States101 Posts
On September 07 2011 15:08 WaveofShadow wrote: So, since Shaco has not been free since sometime last year, I've taken to trying him out this week, and naturally, I'm terrible. Does anybody at all still play him? And if so, how do you effectively jungle him with the change to JitB aggro (Regi's old guides don't apply )Just standard Blue -->wolves--> wraiths, etc.? I'm bad hahaha | ||
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brobear
United States101 Posts
You won't be able to kill any tanky dps characters 1 on 1 or even in team fights... effectively... (unless you're fed). You will want to deceive and rape the shit out of their carries and squishy supports. And this rape is what I feel Shaco is the BEST at doing. | ||
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
is someone trolling or was he serious | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On September 09 2011 06:28 TheYango wrote: @brobear - Why would you not start at either buff camp when JitB lets you do a buff camp without even using Smite at level 1? i have no idea what the methodology behind brobear's start is, but when turkey and i were working out a jungle shaco path, we wanted to work out one where you didn't have to start blue/red to be able to clear fast and have hp to gank, since shaco's biggest problem is when his lvl 1 gets fucked up by an invade | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 09 2011 06:41 barbsq wrote: i have no idea what the methodology behind brobear's start is, but when turkey and i were working out a jungle shaco path, we wanted to work out one where you didn't have to start blue/red to be able to clear fast and have hp to gank, since shaco's biggest problem is when his lvl 1 gets fucked up by an invade But that's largely because a box pop screws you up regardless of where you start. If you get to stack up your boxes in peace, there's not much reason to start at a small camp. And if your boxes get popped, you're probably going to have to rethink where you're starting, regardless of which camp it is, simply based on the fact that wherever you are isn't very safe with 5 enemy champs nearby. I don't think you'd ever start at a non-buff by choice--but rather as a contingency if your normal start gets screwed up. If they're strong enough to invade and willing to do so, putting your boxes at minigols doesn't make them safer from getting popped than putting them at red. Though admittedly it does make YOU safer. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
However, there was a fix in last patch which I didn't see mentioned anywhere, apparently the tower exclusively targets you if your clone aggros something. This wasn't the case before and it helped a lot during tower diving. Also I think his clone has items now (?) I don't do flash a lot since I don't see why shaco would benefit from it except for running away from a major fuckup initiate. The times when I die with him is when they catch me with cc and sustains it from full to zero hp. So against heavy cc its best to do cleanse, otherwise ignite or exhaust... crit dmg quints apen red atkspeed yellow cdr blue are my favourite runes but I guess you can change blue to atkspeed as well. Items are kinda reginald style, rushing black cleaver works well in most cases. If you're doing badly early and need to farm nonstop in midgame I prefer zeal+cata before building dmg. Always mobility boots, might not be necessary but suits my style of trying to be everywhere at once. Make yourself slightly present near an incoming teamfight, run and push a tower, run back and help your team etc. You usually have to run great distances to be effective with shaco so I feel that the mobility boots are a necessity, sometimes even before finishing lantern. Shaco is definitely one of the best counter junglers so knowing all the different jungling paths for different champions and change your own accordingly will often win you the game. That's the best way to help your team in high elo since the lanes will usually play a bit too cautiously for a successful gank. And make sure to ban lee sin if you play shaco in ranked... Earlier, tf was the obvious hardcounter to shaco but since the global nerf fortunately nobody picks him anymore. | ||
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brobear
United States101 Posts
On September 09 2011 06:41 barbsq wrote: i have no idea what the methodology behind brobear's start is, but when turkey and i were working out a jungle shaco path, we wanted to work out one where you didn't have to start blue/red to be able to clear fast and have hp to gank, since shaco's biggest problem is when his lvl 1 gets fucked up by an invade Whenever I start at the either buff camps, my hp goes too low and I burn too many pots for it to be fast and effective... (and clearing blue without smite is impossible? I don't know how you manage that lol) So I start at minigolems and do the buffs at level 3 with JitB level 2. I then get level 4 after clearing rest of re-spawned jungles and gank at that timing. I like having the buffs last longer on me while i'm running around ganking, but maybe that's not the most efficient way? I'm new to jungling but I thought I had a pretty decent route, since it works out well for me... | ||
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