Does 3 points of W really make that much of a difference compared to 1 for clearspeed? I mean levels 3-7 is when you'll be ganking the most as rammus and your opportunities diminish significantly after that.

Alaric

France45622 Posts

April 09 2013 20:50 GMT

#342

I thought I'd need some points in Q for the damage (and I certainly used it too much while farming) so that explains the lack of mana, and also that I felt a bit short in points (he needs them pretty badly between W and E @_@). Maybe I'm just too used to playing junglers with pretty decent base damage (including Maokai, and somewhat Nautilus) so I assumed I needed some.

Kezzer

United States1268 Posts

April 22 2013 12:50 GMT

#343

Hey guys how viable is rammus in ranked 5's? I almost never see anyone play him atm

goodkarma

United States1067 Posts

April 22 2013 13:30 GMT

#344

He's definitely viable. If you look at his win% on lolking, it's amongst the highest for all champions (54%). That he's rarely played doesn't mean he isn't good.

sylverfyre

United States8298 Posts

April 22 2013 13:33 GMT

#345

The base damage from level 1 Q is pretty darn good (100) but it goes up so high in mana cost if you level it that it's just not worth it. You need the E levels to make your ganks ridiculous (eternity taunt) and your W levels so you can clear for cheap+be really hard to kill.

ThE)ShoWTimE

Italy213 Posts

April 22 2013 15:15 GMT

#346

isnt Q usually maxed last?

IamPryda

United States1186 Posts

April 22 2013 15:30 GMT

#347

I max q last I start w-q-e-q and the prioritize r>e>w>q

Craton

United States17250 Posts

May 06 2013 05:19 GMT

#348

On April 22 2013 22:30 goodkarma wrote:
He's definitely viable. If you look at his win% on lolking, it's amongst the highest for all champions (54%). That he's rarely played doesn't mean he isn't good.

That also skews the data. It's like the old Teemo that was only ever picked in specific, favorable situations.

Rammus can be good, but there are a lot of unfavorable matchups.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

May 06 2013 08:11 GMT

#349

like what?
scip played a lot of rammus and never did poorly in 5's games including german EPS i think

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

May 06 2013 12:55 GMT

#350

On May 06 2013 17:11 Slayer91 wrote:
like what?
scip played a lot of rammus and never did poorly in 5's games including german EPS i think

He does badly against Rammus ban
seriously I hate those ESC guys they are too smart for me

Blyf

Denmark408 Posts

May 07 2013 08:18 GMT

#351

Scip how do you deal with early invades from mid/jungle?

Edit: To elaborate: Every time I pick a weak early jungler, it seems like an invition for their xin/jarvan/lee sin to come and kill me at red with help from their mid.

OmegaKnetus

Germany431 Posts

May 07 2013 09:05 GMT

#352

On May 07 2013 17:18 Blyf wrote:
Scip how do you deal with early invades from mid/jungle?

Edit: To elaborate: Every time I pick a weak early jungler, it seems like an invition for their xin/jarvan/lee sin to come and kill me at red with help from their mid.

My way of dealing with this is just starting your red against those types of junglers. Works for me atleast and won't slow down clear speed at all. Alternatively you could just ask your support to ward the bush next to red buff. If their mid goes for you you could also ask your mid to assist you.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

May 07 2013 09:27 GMT

#353

it doesnt matter what champ you are if mid and jungle gank you at red you are going to die
pay attention to enemy mid movement and ping for your team. You should be able to collapse 3v2 or 3v1 as long as you are aware and check the red brush before starting it etc

if they are ganking you at red you they will be lvl 2 as well so no huge advantage. If they hit level 3 and get to your red before you finish yours something is wrong. Wolves should be done before blue spawns, blue should be done quickly if you get a pull and Q makes up for any loss in speed killing blue and you smite red so you should hit 3 the same as any other jungler.

La1

United Kingdom659 Posts

May 07 2013 10:51 GMT

#354

I play rammus, The issue is when to pick him as he can be counter jungled hard but as long as your team is AWARE then you should never have a problem, and you should rarely die to an invade just make sure you have high hp after your blue

as for the discussion on skill order I take W first, (take less dammage from wolves + blue), then Q after to get to red fast, then i max E and maybe put a second point into W depending on the burst potential, after E is maxed i max W, You don't need clear speed as you should only really be ganking

I also find people buy the wrong items for him, personally it varies depending on the enemy but i always get sightstone first, then go straight into sunfire or ninja tabis (those are my next 2 items) then i complete the sitestone into the HP thing with the tenacity so i have crazy hp and then it varies on what the enemy is doing,
in ranked i have a 60% win ratio with a 3.3 Kda

im only gold2 so take what i say with a pinch of salt.

ThE)ShoWTimE

Italy213 Posts

May 07 2013 12:08 GMT

#355

Uhm, i dont know about the sightstone, while always helpful, i don't think it is worth it to get it 1st, i am really biased towards kindlegem on most junglers, hp and cdr is all i ask, so i always rush it after the usual boots and sightstone, then i like boots 2 (usually tabis) into the usual stuff... i'm not also a big fan of sunfire anymore, i like randuins more, because of the passive and active are so powerful (spin into them, taunt the carry -> activate randuins and the ad carry is pretty much done) it's also so powerful if you have to peel for your carry too, activate it and taunt, your adc doesn't even have to kite.. The sunfire i feel is only good for splitpushing on some champs with bad waveclear, and rammus isn't really my jungle choice for split pushes for obvious reasons =)

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

May 07 2013 12:19 GMT

#356

Everything that our Teut the Slayer said is correct.
Starting at red on purple side is alright, take small golems and share half xp with your top laner, but it's not necessarily optimal because enemy top lane has extra time to farm worry-free and as rammus you can't really gank bottom lane very well lvl3.
You do need clear speed because you will be farming a lot, but fortunately 2 points in W early are sufficient for that.
Sightstone first is good if your support is not getting it, which ought to be 0% of the time.
Sunfire first is alright if you get fed AND enemy have only physical dmg. It allows you to farm super fast so that's nice. In all other cases Locket first is better.
Don't get anything before Locket apart from boots1 and spirit stone, the jump from Kindlegem+Cloth -> Locket is too cost efficient to delay it.

Shame on Craton for not finishing the guide yet? o.o

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

May 07 2013 16:41 GMT

#357

On May 07 2013 21:19 Scip wrote:

Sightstone first is good if your support is not getting it, which ought to be 0% of the time.

Shame on Craton for not finishing the guide yet? o.o

HUEHUE

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

May 07 2013 16:45 GMT

#358

On May 08 2013 01:41 Slayer91 wrote:

Show nested quote +

HUEHUE

I had the pleasure of playing tournaments with a support who genuinely thought that sightstone is a waste of money on ranged supports because you don't use the HP. hue.