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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On July 24 2013 12:46 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I'll rewatch the replay if I can get it to work, in less rage-induced hindsight I probably just shit the bed. Is Locket still best first big purchase? (after boots+ss) I prefer Bulwark. | ||
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dogmatix
Australia339 Posts
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icemanzdoinwork
447 Posts
On July 24 2013 13:05 Atrioc wrote: i've been playing a lot of rammus whenever I have to jungle lately and i've found the korean style to be the most fun basically you rush madreds razor + boots of mobility with homeguard + crystalline flask and you gank like a madman possessed anytime you have red buff or there is an easy lane to gank. With Rammus Q + boots of mobility with homeguard, you get from fountain to the action of any lane so fast its crazy and you are one of the few junglers that can reliably gank bot over and over again. The flask is not 100% necessary but it lets me stay in the field longer and clear a few camps without having to back. Rush sunfire as your first major item (Rammus loves HP and its the only thing that helps him clear camps/waves) This is how I have been playing ram as well. I went from gold 3 to plat 3 with this in 2 weeks. I never got a flask. | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23436 Posts
dunno how scip avoids slow clears | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23436 Posts
if you can successfully gank how efficient your conversion is isn't hugely important. you can use the short ult cd to farm buff camps faster hue Madreds is 400 gold worth of armour so you need to make only 300 gold worth of farm to make it already worth it (considering the XP bonus, you probably need much less). | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23436 Posts
even 1 level is worth 100's of gold if you count in skill ranks | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
In patch 5.4: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/02/patch-54-notes.html they changed jungle so it costs an extra 225 gold to side-grade jungle items and nerf the range of chilling smite. Previously, I had used the Trail blazer as my jungle item while farming for the better jungle smite and then, switched to stalker’s blade before getting juggernaut as my first big item. Do people have a sense of if this still makes sense, or is it better to start with stalkers now and stay with it, or maybe just never shift to stalker… My first thought is that 225 is almost the cost of boots, so side-grading means leaving boots for later which is a big pain. Also, I think stalkers is a big part of Rammus’s ability to gank, since he has no quick jumps or gap closers other than Powerball (which you use to initiate the gank, and so don’t have up to chase with). So my thought is that it just means we need to start with stalkers and stick with it, which is going to hurt his already weak jungle clear (ARG Riot why do you hate jungle diversity so much!). Does your analysis match my own or is there something I’m missing that I should consider? | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4179 Posts
On February 26 2015 05:21 General_Winter wrote: bumping because, old or not, this is the official Rammus thread. In patch 5.4: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/02/patch-54-notes.html they changed jungle so it costs an extra 225 gold to side-grade jungle items and nerf the range of chilling smite. Previously, I had used the Trail blazer as my jungle item while farming for the better jungle smite and then, switched to stalker’s blade before getting juggernaut as my first big item. Do people have a sense of if this still makes sense, or is it better to start with stalkers now and stay with it, or maybe just never shift to stalker… My first thought is that 225 is almost the cost of boots, so side-grading means leaving boots for later which is a big pain. Also, I think stalkers is a big part of Rammus’s ability to gank, since he has no quick jumps or gap closers other than Powerball (which you use to initiate the gank, and so don’t have up to chase with). So my thought is that it just means we need to start with stalkers and stick with it, which is going to hurt his already weak jungle clear (ARG Riot why do you hate jungle diversity so much!). Does your analysis match my own or is there something I’m missing that I should consider? I think you are quite right. My opinion is that you have to decide purple or blue depending on team compositions, meaning whats the probability of your early ganks to work? If you feel that odds are on your side go for the blue smite, if not go for purple. switching them is not worth for rammus imo | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
the main thing about Stalker's is chasing down people in the mid and lategame, it's actually rather difficult to get into taunt range without it in a lot of scenarios. I think just always going Stalkers is fine, you just gotta buy a few more HP pots. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
He's best played as a support with relic shield->targon's->sunfire->situational items here. He doesn't need much gold to be useful/tanky. His kit is good for a support but terrible for actual jungling. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
alright, Rammus crash course Runes: AtkSpe Reds, Armor Yellows, CDR Blues, Armor Quints Masteries: 9/21/0 Level WQWE R>E>W>Q Start Gromp and clear 5 camps (you can start Golems and clear 5 camps too but it's slower), base, clear 1 more camp, then you get lvl4 and you can gank (or not, just farming more is acceptable). Don't forget to buy HP pots, you need 'em. Standard build build Stalker's -> Boots1 -> Sunfire -> conditional: If they have only AD, Ninja Tabi -> Randuins -> Thornmail, then maybe Juggernaut, Warmogs, Frozen Heart. If they have decent amount of both AP and AD, Locket -> Ninja Tabi -> Randuins, then stuff like Juggernaut, Warmogs, Spirit Visage I've been experimenting with going Devourer and skipping Sunfire and so far it's always worked out really well but it might just be because everyone I've played against has been trash so far. also, patch 4.20 KEK | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
It's a shame Mres items suck, I've experimented with Wit's End as last item but I don't think I'd reccomend it yet lol | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
I'd thought about Wit's end as well. Since W, R, and Thorn-mail all do magic damage, the resistance shredding might be pretty good. Haven't actually done the math to see if it really works out yet though. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
After Sunfire, I usually get Locket before Juggernaut simply because at that point in the game, you are much more likely to have issues with your teammates dying early, rather than you yourself dying early, and Locket is the best way to help that problem. With how much hp you get from Locket and Sunfire I think that Ninja Tabi are the most efficient tank items afterwards. After that, I usually get Randuins before Juggernaut because I find the slow rather useful, but if I don't expect it to be of much use then getting Juggernaut before Randuins is fine. | ||
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