Ashe really is a boring ranged carry, She's an autoattack bot after using her volley and arrow, and since her method of "escape" is to use the owl to not get caught in the first place, you really don't face any exciting life or death situation. Yes, she's unkillable if played right and has a Janna and competent tanks but it gets boring really quickly if all you do is right click and spam volley.

gtrsrs

United States9109 Posts

March 09 2011 04:20 GMT

#102

On March 09 2011 13:15 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Ashe really is a boring ranged carry, She's an autoattack bot after using her volley and arrow, and since her method of "escape" is to use the owl to not get caught in the first place, you really don't face any exciting life or death situation. Yes, she's unkillable if played right and has a Janna and competent tanks but it gets boring really quickly if all you do is right click and spam volley.

ashe arrow has the highest skillcap in the game

zulu_nation8

China26351 Posts

March 09 2011 04:43 GMT

#103

I find mspd quints the best for kiting and everything else.

Kaniol

Poland5551 Posts

March 09 2011 09:11 GMT

#104

If by autoattack bot you mean "one of the best kiters in the game" i agree so much, whether you consider kiting boring or not is a matter of your preference though

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

March 10 2011 14:50 GMT

#105

So here's the 4 setups for CDR Ashe I am considering right now:

APen/MP5L/MP5L/APen
11/0/14 (ASpd, APen, MP5, Greed, NOT CDR, rest prob towards quickness/buff duration?)
Ghostblade/Bruta/CDR Boots and then Black Cleaver

66 flat APen, loads of mana regen for endless poking, up to 111 flat APen with Cleaver.

APen/MP5L/CDR/APen
11/0/19 (CDR, APen)
Ghostblade/Bruta, any boots that are not CDR and then Black Cleaver

Variation of the first setup; basically trades MP5L glyphs and a couple of mastery points for free boot choice.

APen/MP5L/CDR/APen
8/0/22 (CDR)
Bruta/CDR Boots and then IE/LW or BC

This gets 40% CDR as soon and as cheap as possible. Better against tanky enemies, weaker against squishy enemies due to lack of flat APen.

APen/MP5L/mixed/APen (2 flat CDR glyphs, 7 MP5L glyphs)
8/0/22 (CDR)
Ghostblade/CDR Boots and then IE/LW or BC
or Bruta/CDR Boots > IE > Ghostblade > LW or BC

More MP5L for better poking, and you really should not regret buying a Ghostblade on Ashe. IE goes nicely with it as well.

I personally am leaning towards the 1st build. I don't like having to get CDR Boots (Swifties soo gud), but the extra stats I get for that are pretty sweet.

Juicyfruit

Canada5484 Posts

March 10 2011 15:32 GMT

#106

Why not just hog the blue buff :< solves all your CDR and mana problems.

If your team is on board with the massive poking strategy, there's no one better to carry blue anyways.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

March 10 2011 15:44 GMT

#107

just rush frozen mallet on her, then you can get a frozen heart

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 10 2011 15:50 GMT

#108

GB/B -> BC IMO. 9/0/21, CDR blues, ArPen Red/Quints, Mana Regen/Level Seals. 2fckingpro.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

March 10 2011 15:55 GMT

#109

But what's with these superbad builds? Just go inf edge into Bloodthirster into LW/Cleaver depending on armor levels.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 10 2011 15:56 GMT

#110

no noob, you need that 40% CDR for 2.4 second volley spam and also enchanted crystal arrow every 3 seconds.

Juicyfruit

Canada5484 Posts

March 10 2011 16:01 GMT

#111

You're the noob. Need to save that money for triforce. Grab blue buff and a triforce. 2.4second volley AND a triforce proc right after. Take red buff too for 3 different slow procs.

Invincible ashe.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

March 10 2011 16:03 GMT

#112

On March 11 2011 00:56 Mogwai wrote:
no noob, you need that 40% CDR for 2.4 second volley spam and also enchanted crystal arrow every 3 seconds.

No you don't, with my build you only need 1 volley and the enemy dies in under 2.4 seconds. Sustained dmg is bad on ashe since you really can only pewpew a bit at a time until you get focused.

Or maybe you weren't serious and actually know how to build well

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

March 10 2011 16:10 GMT

#113

On March 11 2011 00:32 Juicyfruit wrote:
Why not just hog the blue buff :< solves all your CDR and mana problems.

If your team is on board with the massive poking strategy, there's no one better to carry blue anyways.

Because I don't get those items just for the CDR. GB/B come with REALLY good stats. The AD and APen are balanced so nicely that I basically want GB/B even if I dont need all the CDR on them.

This leaves us with the option of dropping CDR Boots and/or some runes/masteries and hog blue buff. Definitely viable if you actually get to hog blue. Whether it makes sense or not depends on the specific game. You might have a Heimerdinger, Anivia, Kassadin etc on your team that can do so much with blue buff. I personally think that grabbing 40% CDR off items/runes/masteries comes with so little cost on Ashe that it is well worth giving blue to an ally.

On March 11 2011 01:03 Shikyo wrote:

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No you don't, with my build you only need 1 volley and the enemy dies in under 2.4 seconds. Sustained dmg is bad on ashe since you really can only pewpew a bit at a time until you get focused.

Yeah I know you are all trying to make fun of that build etc etc, whatever.

Sustained damage from 1200 range against multiple targets with 35% slow. Have fun focusing me.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

March 10 2011 16:19 GMT

#114

Incidentally, Doublelift, Hotshot, Jiji, and someone else (can't remember who, might have been Satashi) were all talking about how Dan plays CDR Ashe. Doublelift and Hotshot seemed to make a point of how bad they think CDR Ashe is.

Juicyfruit

Canada5484 Posts

March 10 2011 16:24 GMT

#115

The problem with CDR ashe is that it's an extremely selfish build. You can kite a whole lot but your carrying power is going to be very mediocre compared to their DPS that went infinity edge/green pot/zerker greaves. You're annoying as fuck but you'll probably end up being the last one alive and running back to base by yourself because the other team's primary DPS will output so much more single-target damage than you.

I don't think CDR/armor pen stacking is a bad combination on ashe, but it's not good to overcommit to those stats.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

March 10 2011 16:25 GMT

#116

last time I saw CDR Ashe, Inept was carrying super hard with it. Es #1 build, always kill, never die, huehuehue

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

March 10 2011 16:29 GMT

#117

CDR/APen is perfectly fine for actually killing people. That's what its good at. CDR/APen doesn't help you break towers though, which is part of why people take ranged carries in the first place.

The math on CDR/APen builds for DPS works out pretty favorably compared to IE-based builds IIRC, it's just that a bunch of the stats you itemize for don't contribute to vs. tower damage.

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

March 10 2011 16:30 GMT

#118

always kill never die never win either :S

phyvo

United States5635 Posts

March 10 2011 16:32 GMT

#119

I just saw cdr ashe.

Don't recall her actually contributing anything, my team just kept on dying to sion, an unreachable CDR/double stacking items Teemo, and DPS/lifesteal WW. I think our first problem was vlad though...