[Champion] Ashe

let me guess "standard" ashe build

DB
boots 1
DB
DB
boots 3 or merc treads
IE
LW
red/green pots
BV or GA

On November 13 2010 00:54 BlackPaladin wrote:
0-8-22 is what I prefer actually. It's weird, but you take SoS and I also take greed b/c 90 gold/25 mins > .5% dodge or 1 armor imo as you can get a ward with that. Gives good laning too with SoS.
I don't really like the offensive tree for ranged carries. 15% magic pen....3 points for only 6 armor pen...not very helpful for autoattack dpsers compared to flash being up so much sooner.

On November 13 2010 01:18 red_ wrote:
Secretly(or not so secretly?), manamune was actually designed as an item for smurfs without meditation and mp5 runes...

On November 13 2010 01:20 Navi wrote:


meki first = #1 smurf build on anything including garen

On November 13 2010 02:15 BlackPaladin wrote:


Need some mana? MANAMUNE! You use energy? MANAMUNE! Don't have a mana bar? MANAMUNE!

In all seriousness, I used to do brutalizer/ghostblade build on ashe. The active helps get away and also can make you impossible to escape. But I kind of like the dorans with IE + LW build better. It feels like it kicks in sooner, but I'm not sure. Maybe because if you're behind you can stack up to 3 dorans.

On November 13 2010 05:33 Mogwai wrote:
honestly, who doesn't Anivia trash at level 6? I find it so infuriating that she has a free double damage nuke whenever she wants at 6, it's stupid.

On November 13 2010 05:31 Southlight wrote:
She beats a lot of heroes, or gives a lot of heroes trouble (like MF).

On November 13 2010 06:28 Mogwai wrote:
you never straight up fight as ashe. vs. MF, you get to deny her imba movespeed bullshit by just staying the fuck away from your ranged creeps and vollying her if she tries to fight you I think.

On November 13 2010 06:47 Southlight wrote:
Ashe is stronger at level 6 because ECA is OP. That's how.

On November 13 2010 07:20 spinesheath wrote:

And 1 Cleanse/Flash/miss because of Strut later?

On November 13 2010 05:04 gtrsrs wrote:
honestly, can some "high elo" player tell me who ashe even beats in lane? i just feel like she has nothing going for her in lane at ALL. early volley is good but pushes the lane, her passive is great for the first shot but i can't see her trading hits with teemo (poison and blind), MF (damage stacking), kog maw (w, lol), twitch (poison), ezrael (teleport). i can't see her beating annie or anivia due to their burst, i can't see her beating xin zhao because of his burst and regen, i can't see her beating mordekaiser unless she's extremely aggressive early and he's dumb, etc etc. i could be way wrong though because i'm bad at ashe. who does she BEAT in lane? or has she slowly been relegated to a duo-lane babysittee, since her arrow isn't even that reliable or important early game

On November 13 2010 05:36 Mogwai wrote:
seriously, can you name a hero who, at level 6, is like, "psh, anivia, W/E BRO I GOT THIS EZPZLMNSQZ"

On November 26 2010 08:50 vanillapanda wrote:
Oh man, and now that I'm following spinesheathes build?



It should be illegal how much fun I'm having.

On November 13 2010 05:36 Mogwai wrote:
seriously, can you name a hero who, at level 6, is like, "psh, anivia, W/E BRO I GOT THIS EZPZLMNSQZ"

On November 27 2010 05:05 Odds wrote:

Locket Veigar

On November 27 2010 06:03 spinesheath wrote:

I kinda doubt that you have Locket by lvl 6.
With perfect farm from a solo lane, you will be halfway to level 8 by the time you can afford Locket, including your starting gold. Champ kills also give experience so that doesn't change much.
If you sit at the fountain for 1 hour you might be able to pull it off though.

Besides, this thread is about Ashe.

On December 04 2010 07:56 HeavOnEarth wrote:
so grandjudge does
movespeed quints armorpen marks mp5 ylw blues
21/0/9 and he stacks 3 dblades into ie lw

On December 04 2010 10:03 Smgzy wrote:


21/0/9 for noobs.

do 21/8/1

On December 04 2010 10:03 Smgzy wrote:


21/0/9 for noobs.

do 21/8/1

On December 04 2010 16:29 Walde wrote:
This mastery thing has been a problem to me for a while. 21/x/x seems good, but i wonder if it's any better than x/x/21, because of meditation, movementspeed and 15% summoner spell cdr. Could one of you better players enlighten me that is it just matter of preference, or if offensive masteries are strictly better than utility ones or vice versa (for Ashe).

On November 27 2010 06:03 spinesheath wrote:

I kinda doubt that you have Locket by lvl 6.
With perfect farm from a solo lane, you will be halfway to level 8 by the time you can afford Locket, including your starting gold. Champ kills also give experience so that doesn't change much.
If you sit at the fountain for 1 hour you might be able to pull it off though.

Besides, this thread is about Ashe.

On December 09 2010 06:40 Tyrran wrote:
Considering all the scars, i would doubt that :p

On December 20 2010 01:37 LaNague wrote:
use them whenever you can in those normal games, only way to get better....

On January 28 2011 07:57 spinesheath wrote:
21/0/9

That's what I would probably use if I were to go 21/0/9 on Ashe (lol nevar!)
Offensive Mastery should not be needed, and ASpd helps with lasthitting too. For the last utility point, all 3 options are tempting. I would just take Greed because it's great, but depending on how much you hog buffs and what runes you run, you might prefer something else.

On January 28 2011 09:11 zulu_nation8 wrote:


why 1 extra attack damage instead of 15% magic penetration? And why reduce time spent dead rather than health/mana regen?

On February 01 2011 01:19 Woony wrote:
I've heard some people say Black Cleaver is better on her than LW, any opinions? Also is phantom dancer good as a 3rd damage item after IE and LW?

On February 15 2011 02:30 Juicyfruit wrote:
Triforce ashe best ashe.

Volley -> triforce proc -> Arrow -> triforce proc -> Volley -> triforce proc bes DPS

On February 14 2011 22:27 spinesheath wrote:
Don't get CDR boots if you don't plan on maxing out your CDR. Especially for IE based builds I would never get CDR boots - you either take Zerkers if you can afford it, or you get Mercs. You're playing for autoattack damage so you better get some ASpd.


I would be very surprised if anyone except for me goes GB/B unless they are trolling (or think they are). I actually think that that after the IE nerf and the BC change, GB/B into BC has become awesome. But I don't play Ashe very often right now, so I haven't tested/calculated it all.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking that IE > GB/B in terms of DPS unconditionally. The builds are extremely close in overall DPS.

On February 01 2011 20:28 locodoco wrote:
Most fucking boring ranged carry in game
i can't stand to play her
the only defensive ranged carry in game too
her playstyle sucks
i hate shooting arrows across the map hoping they'll hit
i hate never being the power player in lane
i fucking wish this champ wasn't op so i wouldn't have to force myself to learn her for the good of my team

On February 16 2011 18:44 Yiruru wrote:
cdr ashe died with locket srysry

ps. ruru ashe -> rage hsgg

On March 09 2011 05:34 PBC wrote:
best build on ashe :
dorans blade
berserker greaves
dorans blade
dorans blade

farm until
BF sword
zeal
IE
Phanton dancer

proceed to rape face and farm until your items look like

berserker greaves
Phantom Dancer
IE
Black Cleaver
Bloodthirster
Bloodthirster

crit for over 1000. hit 2 times a second. heal yourself with every hit
watch the rage

On March 09 2011 13:15 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Ashe really is a boring ranged carry, She's an autoattack bot after using her volley and arrow, and since her method of "escape" is to use the owl to not get caught in the first place, you really don't face any exciting life or death situation. Yes, she's unkillable if played right and has a Janna and competent tanks but it gets boring really quickly if all you do is right click and spam volley.

APen/MP5L/MP5L/APen
11/0/14 (ASpd, APen, MP5, Greed, NOT CDR, rest prob towards quickness/buff duration?)
Ghostblade/Bruta/CDR Boots and then Black Cleaver

66 flat APen, loads of mana regen for endless poking, up to 111 flat APen with Cleaver.

APen/MP5L/CDR/APen
11/0/19 (CDR, APen)
Ghostblade/Bruta, any boots that are not CDR and then Black Cleaver

Variation of the first setup; basically trades MP5L glyphs and a couple of mastery points for free boot choice.

APen/MP5L/CDR/APen
8/0/22 (CDR)
Bruta/CDR Boots and then IE/LW or BC

This gets 40% CDR as soon and as cheap as possible. Better against tanky enemies, weaker against squishy enemies due to lack of flat APen.

APen/MP5L/mixed/APen (2 flat CDR glyphs, 7 MP5L glyphs)
8/0/22 (CDR)
Ghostblade/CDR Boots and then IE/LW or BC
or Bruta/CDR Boots > IE > Ghostblade > LW or BC

More MP5L for better poking, and you really should not regret buying a Ghostblade on Ashe. IE goes nicely with it as well.

On March 11 2011 00:56 Mogwai wrote:
no noob, you need that 40% CDR for 2.4 second volley spam and also enchanted crystal arrow every 3 seconds.

On March 11 2011 00:32 Juicyfruit wrote:
Why not just hog the blue buff :< solves all your CDR and mana problems.

If your team is on board with the massive poking strategy, there's no one better to carry blue anyways.

On March 11 2011 01:03 Shikyo wrote:

No you don't, with my build you only need 1 volley and the enemy dies in under 2.4 seconds. Sustained dmg is bad on ashe since you really can only pewpew a bit at a time until you get focused.

On March 11 2011 01:24 Juicyfruit wrote:
The problem with CDR ashe is that it's an extremely selfish build. You can kite a whole lot but your carrying power is going to be very mediocre compared to their DPS that went infinity edge/green pot/zerker greaves. You're annoying as fuck but you'll probably end up being the last one alive and running back to base by yourself because the other team's primary DPS will output so much more single-target damage than you.

I don't think CDR/armor pen stacking is a bad combination on ashe, but it's not good to overcommit to those stats.

On March 11 2011 01:29 TheYango wrote:
CDR/APen is perfectly fine for actually killing people. That's what its good at. CDR/APen doesn't help you break towers though, which is part of why people take ranged carries in the first place.

The math on CDR/APen builds for DPS works out pretty favorably compared to IE-based builds IIRC, it's just that a bunch of the stats you itemize for don't contribute to vs. tower damage.

On March 11 2011 01:37 Juicyfruit wrote:
On a different matter:

learning how to last-hit enemies (KS) with ashe without dropping your DPS real important.

On March 11 2011 01:37 Juicyfruit wrote:
On a different matter:

learning how to last-hit enemies (KS) with ashe without dropping your DPS real important.

On March 11 2011 01:37 Juicyfruit wrote:
On a different matter:

learning how to last-hit enemies (KS) with ashe without dropping your DPS real important.

On March 11 2011 02:45 Mogwai wrote:
are you implying that GRB Taric is suboptimal?

Can't you see that's a ranked game? everyone trying at the maximum that game, and ashe build #1 of all that, always kill, never die.

On March 11 2011 03:09 HeavOnEarth wrote:
the wit's end was a pretty good item this game. their team was 90% magic
i understand you're bored because riot's servers are bad again, but don't derail this thread please.

On March 11 2011 03:35 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Actually this game BC doesnt do much, as the armor pen on BC would just reduce , for example, sions ~30 or corkis ~45 armor to 0, making the rest of your armor pen do essentially nothing. ( it would already negate his armor to 0 )

On March 11 2011 03:35 HeavOnEarth wrote:ECA is generally always off CD to be able to pick off someone for teamfights. Unless you mean shooting crossmap arrows every chance u get with 40% cdr. But i doubt u will still be "laning" once u hit 40% cdr.

So therefore the only real use for CDR is volley spam, which i find very lackluster, and i covered the armor pen benefits, by saying most games there will be +120 armor tanks which u need lw for.

On March 11 2011 03:03 HeavOnEarth wrote:

no i mean u can't go gb/b every game because there will usually be at least 2 ppl with +120 armor and u need lw, otherwise u do very little dps

also its a shitty build.

On March 11 2011 23:32 HeavOnEarth wrote:
dinging 6 before the other guy does in mid applies to nearly every matchup :o

On March 11 2011 07:09 HeavOnEarth wrote:
fairly even. although ashe will never win .also ,. if trist has cloth+ 5hp pots and u dont, ashe gets punished
also trist lovee to take ignite. So u have to have creep advantage for when he dives on you.
Beat 0123456789 ashe vs trist a few days ago in ranked(so when i say ashe never wins i mean unless trist suicides onto you). He dives on me and realized that creeps actually do hurt.
Also he took ignite + ghost , so my flash dodged one of his autoattacks, and a few ranged minion creeps

On March 12 2011 07:11 0123456789 wrote:


Now you're just making up stories. Do not believe EZPZ. I never played vs EZPZ's ashe as trist before, and I beat him when I played corki vs ashe. EZPZ's ashe really easy, would never lose to ezpz's ashe. Although I did make a scrub blunder by overestimating ignite dmg lvl 3 with trist vs EZPZ's corki.

On March 12 2011 11:23 Shikyo wrote:
Btw ashe gets denied by Tryndamere at lvl 2. Boots first -> spin into autoattack spam with defensive masteries -> GG ashe.

On March 12 2011 11:21 HeavOnEarth wrote:

I mean really, where did this rage even come from? Sure i made a mistake in the match up, but the point still stands, i beat a trist only because the tristana(you) messed up, which you admit. The lane would otherwise be a stalemate.

The key is creep advantage , whether if im corki or ashe. Trist with ignite( like you take) is impossible to 1v1 straight up when you take traditional ghost/flash .

Anyways my corki vs ur trist hpapened a few days ago, in an actual ranked match.
I don't really recall playing ashe vs you, at least recently(are you talking about something that happened months ago..?), but i hardly doubt my ashe is easy to beat. 1v1 anytime. . .?

Never knew u thought of me as that lowly of a player... i always ask for 1v1s in LiquidParty and i never decline.

Anyways, as we're on the same ESL team, i hope you can put this behind us..? i'm irritated for being called a scrub ashe as she is one of my best carries and i play at 2k elo, ironically i also play ashe and the ranged carries for our ESL team... over you. If you want to play the ranged carries you're more than welcome to.. if this is what ur passive aggressively referring to?

... i'd rather not argue and leave the ESL team over something i think is silly, because i have fun playing whatever, i could easily jungle or sidelane roam.

**Anyways hopefully you can see my tone is fairly nice, this is merely constructive criticism .. i hope you don't take it otherwise...
So the game corki vs trist you messed up in 4 places
1) creep advantage, you could've easily held it more towards middle but my side started building up a bit more, very intentionally i might add
2) you actually jumped at level 2.. or something? unnecessary and lowered ur hp for the next time u tried to harass. I assume you thought id take w? and weren't expecting my E? Either way it was a poor move, and forced you to go back+ use hp pots, and not be full hp for your level 3 burst attempt.
3) you try to kite away from creep aggro. While this is good, you should avoid it in the first place( which is impossible sometimes, so you should just not jump)
This is bad because i have flash, and you don't. I control who wins, because i have flash. If i am going to lose i can simply walk away, or possible flash if i need to. If i am going to win, i simply flash to you.
This being said i recommend you take ignite/flash if you are going to run that on trist. Pretty sure locodoco runs ignite/flash as well.
4) is the obvious mistake

On March 22 2011 03:08 BouBou.865 wrote:
How the hell do you lane Ashe vs Kennen on mid? Couldn't stop his combo from pwning my face.

On March 22 2011 04:25 BouBou.865 wrote:
So what exactly do I DO then, on mid, if I can't stop Kennen from farming like a boss?

On March 22 2011 15:51 BouBou.865 wrote:
How does mordekaiser play, then?

On April 22 2011 17:53 Falling wrote:
I have a question about Ashe. I'm pretty nooby, but I've gotten better at surviving the early game. However, I find when this happens and my abilities kick as I level up, my mana gets drained too fast and I can hardly do anything.

None of the builds I've read on LoL forums seem to deal with this (I've recently realized that excessive use of frost was draining my mana, but I ran into the seem problem after monitoring it.) I just ended up making up my own addition by getting Tear of Goddess (or the building blocks if I got killed early) in the mid game and delayed things like BF Sword/Infinity Edge because of lack mana. This was because I was getting frustrated with not being able to use any abilities once the mana was completely drained.

On April 22 2011 17:53 Falling wrote:
I have a question about Ashe. I'm pretty nooby, but I've gotten better at surviving the early game. However, I find when this happens and my abilities kick as I level up, my mana gets drained too fast and I can hardly do anything.

None of the builds I've read on LoL forums seem to deal with this (I've recently realized that excessive use of frost was draining my mana, but I ran into the seem problem after monitoring it.) I just ended up making up my own addition by getting Tear of Goddess (or the building blocks if I got killed early) in the mid game and delayed things like BF Sword/Infinity Edge because of lack mana. This was because I was getting frustrated with not being able to use any abilities once the mana was completely drained.

On April 23 2011 05:37 Falling wrote:
Hm, alright so too much 'w' spam is probably my main problem. What then should I be doing as it feels like I'm doing nothing with my regular attack. I guess part of the other problem is I haven't played very much so I don't have all my page unlocked/ all my masteries.

On April 25 2011 03:50 Goshawk. wrote:
Not sure how serious...

It's like a bad ashe build masteries wise with gunblade and PD stack.

On April 25 2011 03:58 Kaniol wrote:
Why not just get 6 PDs or go AP Ashe though?

On April 25 2011 04:04 iGrok wrote:
(...)
Plus its annoying as fuck to all the other players xD

On April 25 2011 04:10 Kaniol wrote:

OK now i get it, it's Ashe's version of Teemo!

On April 26 2011 05:19 Fawkes wrote:
Has anyone played around for fun with CR/AP ashe and just shot arrows at different lanes?

On April 26 2011 05:19 Fawkes wrote:
Has anyone played around for fun with CR/AP ashe and just shot arrows at different lanes?

On April 26 2011 05:33 BlackPaladin wrote:


Do it in bot games. Hilariously fun but not possible in a real game because of what spine said. Like even if you build her like sion (sheen -> deathcap -> lichbane) she still doesn't do enough damage and only really has her r + sheen/lichbane proc. zzzzz

On April 27 2011 05:05 spinesheath wrote:
Last Whisper. Why do you not have one. This isn't even a question, so no question mark.

Oh and with those items you can run DPS Annie, doesn't matter anymore.

On April 27 2011 05:36 iGrok wrote:
The only person who had a decent amount of armor on their team was garen. And since he couldn't touch me, I went without it. Everyone else was really squishy - Annie, Ashe, Leblanc, and Yi.

I'm using APen runes atm, which helps a bit. But again, this build is not a 100% serious build, its just hilarious as shit. If it needs LW, I guess you could trade out a PD?

On April 27 2011 12:58 Flakes wrote:
I imagine his incredible speed of 2 PD +Swiftness was a large part of him doing well, and he was attempting to maintain as much MS as possible when selling boots (I mean upgrade-wise, PD is the closest dps item to a boots3 replacement).

The second closest boots3 is Triforce, which I might have gotten in that scenario for the diverse stats. Against a team with mobile champs like Garen, LeBlanc, and Yi, I wouldn't take any chances when running zero defensive items. To put things in perspective, a Yi with boots2 and one PD would be MUCH faster than an Ashe with 2 PD's and no boots, and a garen with boots2 and FoN would be exactly as fast. This is before things such as ghostblade, MS runes, ghost, and highlander/decisive strike.
If you are literally a one-man team, it pays to be careful. And it's not like he won't be using the AS.

On April 29 2011 17:17 spinesheath wrote:
Actually squishies have a tendency to come with high burst which rips a squishy Ashe apart. All out offense is stronger against all tanky melee setups that you can kite.
Lifesteal doesn't keep you alive if you die instantly.

iGrok is quite obviously playing at a very low level right now, and that's the only reason why you can even see him finish 6 big items.

On April 25 2011 03:44 iGrok wrote:
This isn't intended to be a top arranged-team character guide, since I honestly don't know how this would work there.

On May 07 2011 00:16 Zato-1 wrote:
Can't say I agree with that bloodrazor... I'd have gotten another BT or IE, probably.

On October 24 2011 11:46 Ghost-z wrote:
I guess the build I'm considering goes like this:

Doran's Blade to start
Boots of Swiftness or Berzerkers
???
BF Sword >> IE
Zeal >> PD

My first question is "Should I build straight into IE after I get my boots or should I stack another DB or early item first?"
My second question, "Is IE the first legendary item I should build in most games?"

On November 06 2011 02:06 spinesheath wrote:
People don't go mid with Ashe because everyone will cry and bitch and afk and leave and report and QQ and flame and you can extend that list as much as you like.

There is no reason for Ashe to not be mid. There are some matchups she should avoid, but that's the case in every lane.

metagame

On June 14 2011 05:19 spinesheath wrote:
A relatively short IE Ashe guide, not all that detailed.

Runes:
Apen marks
flat armor seals
MP5L glyphs
1 APen/ 2 flat HP quints

or MP5L seals and MRes or MResL glyphs or double MP5. Whatever. Quints are open for changes too.

Masteries:
21/9/0
mastery builder
Go 2 offensive mastery and drop some CDR for it if you have 300 ms latency like me. 1.5% CDR doesn't matter on IE Ashe.

Summoners:
Exhaust and Flash.

Skills:
R>W>Q>E, 1 point in E somewhere from 1-4. W first in all but the rarest cases (really dangerous enemies at lvl 1: E first)

Items:
Boots+3 potions or DBlade depending on lane and opponent.
DBlades as necessary, don't forget potions and wards exist. Get boots if you started DBlade.
BFSword -> Pickaxe
Finish IE (never get Cloak of Agility before the AD items)
Green/Red Elixiers depending on the game
Berserker Greaves here or earlier, for example if you have to go back and can't afford a bigger item but need some extra strength.

Phantom Dancer + Last Whisper, then Bloodthirster. All out offense.

You can get some other items under special conditions: Sword of the Divine against lots of dodge. Executioner's Calling if you're about to end the game, have IE and want lifesteal. Don't get it if you don't expect the game to end soon. I won't rule out other items completely, but I can't think of many cases where you need anything else.
Defense as necessary, but the better you and your team (and your enemies) get, the less you should need. Try to get away without defenses as much as you can. Exhaust and a decent support works wonders.

Gameplay:
Try to get mid. Don't go top. Bottom if you have to, but I dislike it. Without any escapes and underleveled, Ashe is easy prey in bottom lane and midgame fights.
Farm is your goal. Ashe can beat some enemies in a straight up 1v1 lane, but as soon as you put junglers and roamers into the game, you're better off playing safely than trying to prevent the enemy from farming.
In fights, just stay far away from everything and hit the most extended enemy. If you have multiple targets in range, you obviously go for the one that is less tanky, but usually you're going to hit the tank and that's fine. Stay alive >>> deal damage.
Arrows are obviously a huge part of playing Ashe, but I doubt I can teach you how to use it well. Practice.
Get your team to push or take objectives once you finish IE.
Red buff is not all that strong on Ashe. You barely get anything from the slow. The true damage isn't bad, but if you have a melee autoattacker you typicaly want to give it to him.

Why Ashe/why not Ashe?
Ashe has relatively low DPS compared to other ranged ADs. Pick someone else if you mostly need DPS. Pick her if you need more CC and initiation.