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On April 17 2012 04:46 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 21:58 GhostOwl wrote:On April 12 2012 16:47 bovineblitz wrote:
I don't think Kat has a problem, her ult is good enough that the disadvantage of stuns/silences disabling it is fine. She's not a pure "ult and win" champ anyways, you shouldn't rely on the ult when you play her.
I honestly think she's a great laner as well, there's only a couple champs that can consistently beat her out in my experience (like Cassiopia). If Kat doesn't rely on her Ult, what skill can she rely on? Her shunpo is pretty good damage but it's only 1 skill. Her Q falls off in damage compared to her shunpo. Her Q only falls off in damage if you build AP. Ergo my teh epic AD build. Not to mention it pretty much prevents the entire enemy team from healing, in combo w/ her W.
Her Q doesn't fall off in damage as much as you'd think. The ratio's on Kat's Q are .8 for AD and .35 for AP. AP is currently over 50% cheaper on average and even more when you count the 30% AP bonus from deathcap and 5% bonus AP from masteries.
Deathcap = 182 AP / 3600 gold = 19.8 gold/AP
Bloodthirster = 60 AD / 3000 gold = 50 gold/AD
Bloodthirster = 100 AD / 3000 gold = 30 gold/AD
Spending 1000 gold on AP grants her Q ~17.7 more damage (doesn't include 5% from masteries)
Spending 1000 gold on AD grants her Q ~20 more damage (assuming half stacks on BT)
So AD and AP katarina deal relatively equal damage with her Q with AP being more reliable imo. AP also grants .75 ratio on her Shunpo. It comes down to whether you want better AA or a much stronger Shunpo on Katarina and considering she's a melee squishy I want the Shunpo nuke damage. Also the ratio's for AP > AD are better on her ult when you add the Deathcap 30% passive and 5% masteries. The only AD I build on Katarina is from Gunblade and I always build it first.
TL:DR > AP Katarina does about the same damage as AD Katarina in regards to Q & R abilities.
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Riot announced a rework and just put it on the PBE.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/champion-relaunch-katarina-sinister-blade
I liked it a lot. Shunpo is more utility based now, it does less damage but it has the Killer Instincts buff by default. Her Q harass feels a tad weaker but her new W makes up for that . I feel like she's not so useless before level 6 now. The movement speed buff from W hitting a champion + rylai's + shunpo means whatever slim hope of escape you had are now gone forever. The base damage on her ult got reduced to 400>500>600. I didn't look at the new scaling but it's definitely over 1, I think like 1.2. So the late game nuking remains the same without her dominating with her new W and ult combo at lower levels.
The new model is just fucking sexy. I love what they did there
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Q sucks no because no AD scaling for gunblade
W feels like its trying to fix her problems in all the wrong ways and will feel very clunky in conjunction with the rest of her spells
nothing should provide incentive for a kat to shunpo aggressively in lane or you can expect to die
they already have nerfed her ult base once or twice i don't see why it should be nerfed again for a shitty W spell to exist
so lets see, they moved damage from her E to her W but nerfed her ult and Q hard to compensate and then call these buffs
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Scarra's really excited about it:
Scarra on Twitter:
I HAVE TO BUY NEW PANTS
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On August 10 2012 14:28 Frolossus wrote:
Q sucks no because no AD scaling for gunblade
W feels like its trying to fix her problems in all the wrong ways and will feel very clunky in conjunction with the rest of her spells
nothing should provide incentive for a kat to shunpo aggressively in lane or you can expect to die
they already have nerfed her ult base once or twice i don't see why it should be nerfed again for a shitty W spell to exist
so lets see, they moved damage from her E to her W but nerfed her ult and Q hard to compensate and then call these buffs
Her lane is rape now. Q them, Shunpo -> W and walk away with super MS.
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On August 11 2012 01:27 Curu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 14:28 Frolossus wrote:
Q sucks no because no AD scaling for gunblade
W feels like its trying to fix her problems in all the wrong ways and will feel very clunky in conjunction with the rest of her spells
nothing should provide incentive for a kat to shunpo aggressively in lane or you can expect to die
they already have nerfed her ult base once or twice i don't see why it should be nerfed again for a shitty W spell to exist
so lets see, they moved damage from her E to her W but nerfed her ult and Q hard to compensate and then call these buffs
Her lane is rape now. Q them, Shunpo -> W and walk away with super MS.
or they could just turn and rape you with their full combo cause you decided to shunpo onto them
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I believe her R was severely nerfed though. You also can't refresh it in the teamfight anymore.
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so i've been playing her on pbe and the only questions in my mind are currently, why is healing debuff not on Q still and where did the rest of my burst damage go? it seriously feels like she lost a good 1/3 of her burst for this W which is just another spammy spinny anyways
basically her shunpo is too weak right now to get any of the kills she needs to do any more damage in a team fight to begin with
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I am interested about the new Kat.
It seems to me that her main spell will still be her Q, but her Q no longer has AD ratio. So I think the optimal way to play the new kat is to build revolver (or perhaps wota) and go straight into death cap.
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On August 11 2012 06:22 Frolossus wrote:
so i've been playing her on pbe and the only questions in my mind are currently, why is healing debuff not on Q still and where did the rest of my burst damage go? it seriously feels like she lost a good 1/3 of her burst for this W which is just another spammy spinny anyways
basically her shunpo is too weak right now to get any of the kills she needs to do any more damage in a team fight to begin with
Here's the thing.
Katarina originally had only two non-ultimate damage abilities. Now they make it three. Now Shunpo is more of a utility spell for positioning, not for damage.
Essentially, they disjointed the damage and the utility portion of her original Shunpo. This is considered a buff, because now you can use them separately in different situations.
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On August 11 2012 08:03 Sufficiency wrote:
I am interested about the new Kat.
It seems to me that her main spell will still be her Q, but her Q no longer has AD ratio. So I think the optimal way to play the new kat is to build revolver (or perhaps wota) and go straight into death cap.
Yeah, i'm actually a little worried. Her E does shitty damage now to compensate for the shorter duration ult and new W... but it's a lot tougher to "get the reset" now on low HP targets. You E them when they have no health, and then you have to follow them while spamming W and awkwardly auto attacking >.>
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On August 11 2012 08:03 Sufficiency wrote:
I am interested about the new Kat.
It seems to me that her main spell will still be her Q, but her Q no longer has AD ratio. So I think the optimal way to play the new kat is to build revolver (or perhaps wota) and go straight into death cap.
Which is kind of disappointing, because Gunblade's active had such good synergy with her ult. Maybe people start moving back to Rylais? Going to have to mess around with it.
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On August 11 2012 10:05 CatharsisUT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 08:03 Sufficiency wrote:
I am interested about the new Kat.
It seems to me that her main spell will still be her Q, but her Q no longer has AD ratio. So I think the optimal way to play the new kat is to build revolver (or perhaps wota) and go straight into death cap. Which is kind of disappointing, because Gunblade's active had such good synergy with her ult. Maybe people start moving back to Rylais? Going to have to mess around with it.
I think with her ultimate nerf, and the speed boost from her W, CC might not be important on her anymore.
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On August 11 2012 11:00 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 10:05 CatharsisUT wrote:On August 11 2012 08:03 Sufficiency wrote:
I am interested about the new Kat.
It seems to me that her main spell will still be her Q, but her Q no longer has AD ratio. So I think the optimal way to play the new kat is to build revolver (or perhaps wota) and go straight into death cap. Which is kind of disappointing, because Gunblade's active had such good synergy with her ult. Maybe people start moving back to Rylais? Going to have to mess around with it. I think with her ultimate nerf, and the speed boost from her W, CC might not be important on her anymore.
its a 1 sec ms boost on a 4s cooldown
not really that huge man
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On August 11 2012 11:17 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 11:00 Sufficiency wrote:On August 11 2012 10:05 CatharsisUT wrote:On August 11 2012 08:03 Sufficiency wrote:
I am interested about the new Kat.
It seems to me that her main spell will still be her Q, but her Q no longer has AD ratio. So I think the optimal way to play the new kat is to build revolver (or perhaps wota) and go straight into death cap. Which is kind of disappointing, because Gunblade's active had such good synergy with her ult. Maybe people start moving back to Rylais? Going to have to mess around with it. I think with her ultimate nerf, and the speed boost from her W, CC might not be important on her anymore. its a 1 sec ms boost on a 4s cooldown not really that huge man
And a MS boost doesn't help while you're channeling. It's like someone said above, it seems like there's going to be a lot more chasing with Kat now. It's going to be harder to finish off kills in one place and immediately shunpo to someone else.
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One thing too is that her W and E cd make it seem like she'll rely more on getting close, rather than using shunpo to close the gap, to be able to proc her Q marks. Or I'm seeing it entirely wrong, but she looks less "safe" to me.
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Is it just me or does anyone else want to build SFC on new Kat?
I mean new W is basically SFC aura, and SFC stacking is overpowered, right?
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On August 13 2012 01:51 phyvo wrote:
Is it just me or does anyone else want to build SFC on new Kat?
I mean new W is basically SFC aura, and SFC stacking is overpowered, right?
SFC?
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On August 13 2012 02:51 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 01:51 phyvo wrote:
Is it just me or does anyone else want to build SFC on new Kat?
I mean new W is basically SFC aura, and SFC stacking is overpowered, right? SFC?
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