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On January 29 2011 10:38 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2011 10:31 barbsq wrote:On January 29 2011 08:31 gtrsrs wrote:
every time you use a Q on a creep as kassadin, you push your opponent a little closer to winning the lane
also god kills a kitten if you're losing the lane, q'ing creeps is just fine ~.~ if you're losing the lane, Q'ing creeps is def not going to make you win the lane, and they're not going to relinquish their lead imo, so i'm p sure my statement still holds true especially the cat part
You Q a creep to get gold to get your catalyst faster. Then you win your lane because Catalyst op. So yes, Q'ing a creep is perfectly fine and can help you win your lane.
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On January 29 2011 10:15 Juicyfruit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2011 07:27 Mogwai wrote:
I still stand by speccing Kass as a tank. I think he loses a lot more lanes if he shows up with +15 AP, +28 AP @ 18, +16 Mana Regen @ 18 vs. +97 HP, + 13 MRes, + 13 Armor. What about AP/Mpen/Armor/AP? 24starting AP 13 Armor 8.5mpen HP quints are always good but the 15AP = about 10.5 more Q damage, which will erode the HP advantage eventually. Plus, it accelerates the process of winning the lane when Kassadin is at an advantage  . Mostly all that flat AP is to help Q hit extra hard from the get-go since it will be something like 80 (+17), which is a pretty big increase. Another thing is, against what opponent is the Mres particularly helpful to win?
all casters. 50 MRes + Kass passive lets you rape every mage in trades.
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Right, BUT if you are already going to be winning trades to the extent that they don't want to be trading with you in the first place , regardless of your Mres runes, wouldn't you rather have more damage to win your lane faster?
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I dunno, I haven't thought about it that much tbh.
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Mres runes seem wasteful on kass, his silence and passive are enough.
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my simplistic thought process is that MRes blues keep flat mpen in check. With flat mres blues and 3 Resistence, you basically negate sorc shoes which lets you stay in the lane vs. early game-centric builds that get early sorc shoes/HG.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
On January 29 2011 10:38 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2011 10:31 barbsq wrote:On January 29 2011 08:31 gtrsrs wrote:
every time you use a Q on a creep as kassadin, you push your opponent a little closer to winning the lane
also god kills a kitten if you're losing the lane, q'ing creeps is just fine ~.~ if you're losing the lane, Q'ing creeps is def not going to make you win the lane, and they're not going to relinquish their lead imo, so i'm p sure my statement still holds true especially the cat part
Using Q to lasthit creeps at least at levels 1-2 when it does not do more damage than your autoattacks is SO standard that I fear there is a huge pile of dead kittens out there somewhere.
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Do you guys still go with SoS after the nerf?
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Still incredibly strong, just not "i win this lane for free" anymore.
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So doublelift's swain gave me some real trouble in the ESL scrim night, anyone have any thoughts on that matchup? It seems like swains early damage output is too strong to fight early and it lets him boss you around for too long, then he hits 6 and ults the fuck out the lane and locks you on your tower with the pushes (you can't kill him because of the fucking lifesteal + he still has creeps)
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Make him oom by silencing him when he should be turning off his bird maybe.
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Es only second best bird anyway.
What are people's thoughts on AD Kass? There was a thread on the LoL forums about it recently and I couldn't tell if it was a massive troll or viable on some level.
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He doesn't have to turn on his bird unless he's taken damage; he won't take damage unless you silence him or blink next to him forcepulse or auto. If you silence him, he can just heal it back before silence is off cd, and if you blink next to him, you'll eat his full combo then maybe be able to make him waste 2 bird-seconds of mana, tops. That's about 100 mana, maximum. Either way, I think Kass loses.
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How does birdman push without activating the bird card?
Having played swain, I can say that requires extreme mana management. He can go on forever or run out and get stuck.
Cos you know when his creeps are at your tower it's a lot harder for him to trigger his passive so it's a dangerous game he is playing.
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Slow pushing is like the worst thing ever when laning.
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basically, he sat there last hitting, ready to turn on the full combo if I tried to last hit or harass him.
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:S couldn't just gank him when he pushes with bird ult?
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well, it might've just been that DSC and Nico were all over each other's nuts in the jungle, i dunno.
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On February 11 2011 01:21 Mogwai wrote:
So doublelift's swain gave me some real trouble in the ESL scrim night, anyone have any thoughts on that matchup? It seems like swains early damage output is too strong to fight early and it lets him boss you around for too long, then he hits 6 and ults the fuck out the lane and locks you on your tower with the pushes (you can't kill him because of the fucking lifesteal + he still has creeps)
Birdman is kinda like Catwoman lite. Another words, if you don't get ganks on Swain, he's going to end up like a Nidalee. Hard to harass but near impossible to push out of lane once he hits 6.
And you definitely need at least one Ignite for him in team fights. I daresay he's hardcountered by Ignite.
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