On February 15 2011 06:16 Slayer91 wrote:
Why does everyone get gold farming items on gangplank? Just because parley gains extra gold doesn't mean gold farming items are any better or worse than on other characters. Buying 2 philosophers stones and an avarice blade which are mostly useless just to be sold for a minor profit seems like an easy way to gimp your team early game. Also, if you gold farm to god mode you still only have Q that's ranged, and everyone bulds him like a ranged carry so he can be easily focused down.

The way I see it:
-Can deny 1 minion per wave.
-Farms extra gold with Q
-Amazing initiating/counter initiating ultimate.
-Remove CC and heal.

Why not play him as a subpar melee tanky DPS, with the benefit of lane denial, extra gold, a decent sniping ability with Q and a good ultimate? Seems like a good duo lane idea. I see all these bullshit builds on him it seems like wasted potential. Especially if you can play him with a strong support so you don't have to just make scurvy and be zoned all game. Your tower will get pushed but you can have a jungler ready to gank since the lane will ALWAYS be pushed.

Why? Because he's pretty much guaranteed a passive laning phase. Still, I'd rather have heart of gold than philosopher's stones because they'll actually do shit later on.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

February 15 2011 09:51 GMT

#104

Just go one HoG and either an Avarice or a Philo after

BlackPaladin

United States9316 Posts

February 15 2011 10:31 GMT

#105

Ghostblade, Triforce, Banshees, atmas, IE. Best build I've seen on GP so far. Does a ton of damage and isn't 2 shot. Probably one of the better legitimate builds imo.

Orpheos

United States1663 Posts

February 15 2011 14:13 GMT

#106

On February 15 2011 06:55 Mogwai wrote:
fuck sheen, get hextech revolver for dat spellvamp on deny, lol. That shit is so cash.

wow does that actually work?

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

February 15 2011 14:36 GMT

#107

On February 15 2011 23:13 Orpheos wrote:

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wow does that actually work?

It seems like quite simply every spell triggers vamp. Magic damage, physical damage (I tested that with Volley), and apparently true damage, at least in the case of Raise Morale. AoE only vamps 1/3rd as much, of course.

BlackPaladin

United States9316 Posts

February 15 2011 14:56 GMT

#108

Oh, question I just remembered to ask:

Gangplanks deny: When he kills a unit you see "1000" above it. Well....So it does 1000 damage always or will it do more if you try to deny, say, a super creep? Would be awesome if you could deny a 3k hp supercreep and gain like 1k life from spellvamp while pushing enemy base lol.

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

February 15 2011 15:16 GMT

#109

It deals precisely 1000 damage to Super Minions. It won't kill them if they have more than that. Tried and true.

Slayer91

Ireland23404 Posts

February 15 2011 20:51 GMT

#110

So, does lifesteal only work on basic attacks?

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

February 15 2011 20:54 GMT

#111

no, it also works on shit that triggers on-hit effects like Mystic Shot and Parley, but not all Physical abilities like Spear Shot and Acid Hunter.

spinesheath

Germany8679 Posts

February 15 2011 21:51 GMT

#112

Afaik you can simply treat Lifesteal as an on-hit effect that heals X% of physical damage dealt and everything is covered.

GARO

United States2255 Posts

February 15 2011 22:07 GMT

#113

On February 15 2011 19:31 BlackPaladin wrote:
Ghostblade, Triforce, Banshees, atmas, IE. Best build I've seen on GP so far. Does a ton of damage and isn't 2 shot. Probably one of the better legitimate builds imo.

Yeah, those 1k crits when you don't get fucked up instantly after shooting them and turning tail.

Too bad it doesn't mean much if you end up as the only source of significant damage on your team

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

February 15 2011 23:17 GMT

#114

BajaBlood

United States205 Posts

February 16 2011 00:09 GMT

#115

Does deny proc items like BT and Warmogs? I'd imagine it does given the way it works with TF's passive.

squintz

Canada217 Posts

February 16 2011 00:17 GMT

#116

Brambled

United States750 Posts

February 16 2011 00:47 GMT

#117

On February 16 2011 09:17 squintz wrote:

I will try this build out simply bc of the name "Jewplank"

BloodNinja

United States2791 Posts

February 16 2011 01:06 GMT

#118

Take out those HP quints and add the gold quints imo. Also make sure you get greed mastery.

ArC_man

United States2798 Posts

March 04 2011 03:11 GMT

#119

I've been playing lotsa tank-jewplank and if you think about the math it really makes a lot of sense. With the 5 gold/10 items + avarice quints + mastery, you get an extra 174 gold/min. If you hit every creep in every wave, you're capped at approximately 246 gpm (so 306 gpm if you include the natural 60 gpm). If you deny every time it's up, you're going to deny at least 44 gpm from whoever you're laning against (usually more because there are cannon creeps and the cooldown on your E is less than 30 seconds).

If we shift to early-midgame, even if the person laning against you is hitting every single last hit, you'll basically be even with him in terms of farm by hitting only 1-2 creeps per minute. If you're hitting most of the creeps (and using your q), you will basically double your opponent's farm (say you're at around 450-500 gpm while they're at <250 gpm). That is a ridiculous advantage going into later stages of the game (not to mention you're still semi useful to your team with ult >_>).

(Of course I'm not including the gold-scaling of minions)

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

March 04 2011 03:21 GMT

#120

On February 16 2011 06:51 spinesheath wrote:
Afaik you can simply treat Lifesteal as an on-hit effect that heals X% of physical damage dealt and everything is covered.

The secondary bounces on Sivir's Ricochet will lifesteal but do not proc on-hit effects.