[Champion] Kayle

On November 04 2010 08:12 TieN.nS) wrote:
Not sure why you open 3 Doran's Rings unless you're absolutely getting stomped in lane, it just delays your GRB. Otherwise it seems like you have the right idea, although I would personally open with E for last hitting. Plus, Q isn't so great early on since it's so mana intensive and most of the damage comes from Q + autoattacks, which you'd want your E for. I go E W Q then R>W>Q>E most of the time but I just rice for half the game with Kayle.

On November 04 2010 08:18 TheYango wrote:

Is leveling E first viable at all?

I've been starting to play Kayle again, and it seems like finishing E by the time you finish your GRB would be desirable, since it lets you keep 100% E uptime with blue elixir + golem buff.

On November 04 2010 08:23 TieN.nS) wrote:


Eh, all you need E for is the range anyway. All of her skills scale pretty poorly so it doesn't really make that huge of a difference, but I like the lanestaying power leveling W first gives (and if I'm not getting my heal, I'd rather level my damage amplifier in Q). I used to level E first for that same reason but I don't think it's that important. Again, I do just rice with minimal harassment in lane with Kayle so YMMV.

On November 04 2010 08:34 TieN.nS) wrote:
Rageblade after Ghostblade is bad. I don't care to do the math but I'm pretty sure just based on her passive Rageblade is a much bigger item.

On November 04 2010 08:37 UniversalSnip wrote:


Tried it both ways, don't agree.

On November 04 2010 08:45 barbsq wrote:


Op needs to update with all these new guides. Just add like a quick and dirty description of the guide with a link to the post in question.

On November 04 2010 08:55 Aukai wrote:


I dont know how to do any of that =/

On November 04 2010 08:52 Navi wrote:

Kayles dps with rageblade and zerks is superior in a teamfight lasting longer than 8 seconds (I think it might be better than ghostblade if comparing full stack rb and youmuu active) and i try to start a teamfight as kayle as soon as I get those two items. In general it's kayles core item because her skills give her survivability throughout a teamfight, not just the few seconds her ult is up; being able to dish out full grb stacks with ur zerks throughout a teamfight that makes kayle her own class of hard to take down ranged carry

On November 04 2010 09:52 UniversalSnip wrote:
The windup on rageblade is actually pretty significant, and having a free ghost every sixty seconds is riddddddddddddiculous.

I feel like I'm scaling much better when I go ghostblade first.

On November 04 2010 09:55 TheYango wrote:

Doesn't blue elixir + golem buff let you keep Rageblade permanently wound up with W and E?

On November 04 2010 10:36 UniversalSnip wrote:


Don't think I'd buy blue elixer right after my first item lol

red, sure, not blue

On November 04 2010 12:01 Scamp wrote:
If you play safe or your team is good at keeping people alive then I'd suggest a mejai's on her. It can really buff up her damage.

And why wouldn't Kayle benefit from extra gold? GA, Zhonya's, several other items, or even just more cash flow for the triple pot pump make her that much more of a terror.

On November 04 2010 12:46 Scamp wrote:
That's not really the point. You can hold back and let someone else take the kill if you're ganking but in every other situation you just kill and move on to the next target. So you get all this extra money.

Saying she's just as powerful with 4 items as she is with 6 is just silly. Either she'll do more damage or she'll live longer. It's not like you have the option to give money to your teammates, so you're not taking anything away from your teammates.

In fact, I don't get the general logic at all. There's ALWAYS a reason to get more!

There is no real complexity to Kayle, she is one of the easiest heroes to play effectively

On November 04 2010 16:18 Pandonetho wrote:
I find the CDR and 55 AP to be pretty useful on her, personally. I dunno, I'm quite a fan of that item.

Hextech I grab because well, it's a hybrid item and I play Kayle as Hybrid lol, same thing with GRB.

But to each their own!

On November 04 2010 20:24 red_ wrote:
Just spamming elixirs because you can is really dumb, and a huge waste of money, and I'd assume has to do with the 'feeling' that she doesn't scale as well into late game. She has other issues(psuedo-range, ult is hardly a free escape if facing multiple disables) that keep her from being as scary as the top tier carries right now, but scaling is not one of them.

On November 05 2010 01:02 azndsh wrote:
currently running:

flat HP/ArPen quints
ArPen red
mp5/lvl yellow
AP/lvl blue

Did the math on a spreadsheet before, and I'm 100% sure that GRB + ghostblade (active) gives about as much dps as GRB+IE or GRB+MBR and noticeably more than GRB+nashor. of course, nashor gives CDR and mana regen, so it's not without it's uses. zhonya is terrible for dps. GRB + ghostblade + triple pot gives by far more dps than any other itemization for close to the same amount of gold.

On November 05 2010 09:26 GTR wrote:
what do people think of hgb with kayle? i know i asked this a while ago but i want to know if the opinion is still the same now.

On November 05 2010 09:26 GTR wrote:
what do people think of hgb with kayle? i know i asked this a while ago but i want to know if the opinion is still the same now.

On November 05 2010 09:26 GTR wrote:
what do people think of hgb with kayle? i know i asked this a while ago but i want to know if the opinion is still the same now.

On December 08 2010 05:11 Metronome wrote:
Does the ghostblade last 8 seconds with E up now that it counts as a ranged attack with the new patch?

On November 07 2010 04:10 BlackPaladin wrote:
Hextech as a lategame items isn't as bad as a lot of people act. :/
I actually really like it. Makes me hit like more of a truck and I get some health back too from the lifesteal/spellvamp. Plus you get a second slow. Your q does have a cooldown you know.

On December 08 2010 14:04 Stealthpenguin wrote:
I just bought Kayle and now my question is, what's wrong with her? She seems like a pretty awesome champ after my two test games but I never see her. I think I see her once in 100 games. So why is she so underplayed?

On June 23 2011 11:41 Misder wrote:
Big remake live.

Q seems to be better to level up now that E cooldown is the same. Also, passive nerf seems to hurt her a lot.

Thoughts?

On June 28 2011 13:41 xiaoW wrote:
I have been lurking around in the LoL forums for a while, finally wanted to actually post something.

Since Kayle has been remade, I wanted some advice/feedback on how to fully take advantage of those changes.

After playing tons of games with Kayle since the patch, this is how I roll Kayle at the moment:

Core Itembuild:
-Doran's Ring / Boots+3pots
-Guinsoo's Rageblade + Hextech Gunblade
after that depending on the gameflow either Banshee's Veil or go with Trinity Force+IE

Skillbuild: R>Q>E>W taking 'W' at level 4 for the speedbuff.
Masteries: 21/0/9 (I have been trying out 15/0/15 and 9/0/21, I feel like that with those setups it's hard to outdmg ur oppenent at the laningphase.)
Runes:
Marks - Armor Penetration
Seal - Flat armor or Mp5/lvl
Glyphs - AP/lvl or Flat mresist
Quints - Flat AP

I guess this build was also used for the old Kayle as well, but the difference now is that you can be more aggressive with the Q+E in the early/mid game since you out damage most people. I think this is almost the same as Jax weeks ago.

With this build I feel I have a lot of dmg with the Q+E autoatk. You start the lane around 60AP with Doran's Ring so your Q is gonna be painful.

How do you guys feel about this build?

On June 28 2011 14:32 Ryuu314 wrote:

Generally speaking, Rageblade is a bad item. Not worth the gold. You're better off just grabbing gunblade earlier imo

On June 28 2011 14:32 Ryuu314 wrote:

Generally speaking, Rageblade is a bad item. Not worth the gold. You're better off just grabbing gunblade earlier imo

On June 28 2011 14:32 Ryuu314 wrote:
Generally speaking, Rageblade is a bad item. Not worth the gold. You're better off just grabbing gunblade earlier imo

On July 01 2011 01:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
I get that rageblade is efficient, the problem is that it doesn't really give all that much benefit. There's a reason why you never see nidalee get rageblade in high elo tourneys like DH and such. It's, imo, kinda like a super-expensive Doran's item. Shitty stats overall, but priced so damn cost-effectively that it's a good item. The only difference between GRB and Doran's items is that GRB costs 2k, which is better off spent on a NLR + boots.

On July 01 2011 01:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
I get that rageblade is efficient, the problem is that it doesn't really give all that much benefit. There's a reason why you never see nidalee get rageblade in high elo tourneys like DH and such. It's, imo, kinda like a super-expensive Doran's item. Shitty stats overall, but priced so damn cost-effectively that it's a good item. The only difference between GRB and Doran's items is that GRB costs 2k, which is better off spent on a NLR + boots.

On July 01 2011 01:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
I get that rageblade is efficient, the problem is that it doesn't really give all that much benefit. There's a reason why you never see nidalee get rageblade in high elo tourneys like DH and such. It's, imo, kinda like a super-expensive Doran's item. Shitty stats overall, but priced so damn cost-effectively that it's a good item. The only difference between GRB and Doran's items is that GRB costs 2k, which is better off spent on a NLR + boots.

On July 01 2011 01:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
I get that rageblade is efficient, the problem is that it doesn't really give all that much benefit. There's a reason why you never see nidalee get rageblade in high elo tourneys like DH and such. It's, imo, kinda like a super-expensive Doran's item. Shitty stats overall, but priced so damn cost-effectively that it's a good item. The only difference between GRB and Doran's items is that GRB costs 2k, which is better off spent on a NLR + boots.

On July 01 2011 03:04 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
question:

arpen, mpen or aspd marks?

On July 01 2011 04:01 Mogwai wrote:

Flat AD

I run AD on Reds and Yellows, Scaling AP Blues and Flat AP Quints. It's kinda hilarious how hard Q -> E hits at the early levels with this.

On July 05 2011 00:55 Shiragaku wrote:
Hey guys, was Kayle already remade?

On July 01 2011 01:55 BlackPaladin wrote:


You get rageblade on 2 champs at this point in time that I can think of:

Nidalee and kayle.

Rageblade nidalee is an entirely different playstyle from deathcap nidalee.

Kayle benefits fully from rageblade and it's literally the perfect item for her. Why you wouldn't get it is beyond me.

On July 05 2011 04:44 UniversalSnip wrote:


the item is just garbage, there are too many requirements

you need hard scaling off AD, attack speed, AP, and you need to be able to have full stacks at the start of a fight every time, otherwise it takes too long to charge up. It's 'efficient' at two stacks but you need more than comparable efficiency with base items to make something worth buying. I wouldn't say it's actually worth the money until five stacks.

Nobody can keep it charged except nid and she doesn't get very much from attack speed and not a ton from AD either. There is simply nobody this item fits on atm and odds are there won't be within the next ten years.

On July 05 2011 04:44 UniversalSnip wrote:


the item is just garbage, there are too many requirements

you need hard scaling off AD, attack speed, AP, and you need to be able to have full stacks at the start of a fight every time, otherwise it takes too long to charge up. It's 'efficient' at two stacks but you need more than comparable efficiency with base items to make something worth buying. I wouldn't say it's actually worth the money until five stacks.

Nobody can keep it charged except nid and she doesn't get very much from attack speed and not a ton from AD either. There is simply nobody this item fits on atm and odds are there won't be within the next ten years.

On July 05 2011 03:03 Senx wrote:
Kayle just randomy pops up as one of the most broken OPd champs in the game and is now seen all the time at high elo.. funny how it works

On July 10 2011 00:30 c.Deadly wrote:
Kayle was nerfed this last patch - the AP ratio on her Q was changed from 1.0 back to 0.8, and all her tooltips were corrected.

On July 30 2011 10:56 UniversalSnip wrote:
if a hero's best build legitimately includes nashor's tooth that hero is not worth playing. Tooth is complete garbage, attack speed, cdr and mana regen are three of the least synergetic stats you could pile onto one item.

On July 30 2011 10:19 Black Paper Moon wrote:
Reposting this here from the patch discussion thread as requested.

I've been looking at Kayle build options. Common wisdom so far is that you want to build attack speed to hell and back to take advantage of the damage on her Righteous Fury. I wasn't convinced by some of the item builds I've seen on her, though, so I ran some numbers on what goes well on her after the remake.

1) To start with: AP blows. Kayle used to be a hybrid that favoured AP because she could apply her AP to her attack damage (via Righteous Fury's AP coefficient), because AP also gave her bonus attack damage via her passive, and because AP strengthened both her heal and her nuke. The following things have now changed:
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2) Kayle likes 40% CDR. To picture why, imagine you're playing Ashe and your ranged autoattack becomes a melee one for 1-2 out of every 16 seconds. Yeah. The biggest problem isn't that you're not dealing damage for those 1-2 seconds, it's that it can completely fuck up your positioning.
Looking at the CDR items available you only have a few items that make sense on a carry that has little use for AP: Stinger with 10% (builds into Nashor's Tooth for 25%), Brutalizer for 10% (builds into Youmuu's for 15%) and Ionian Boots with 15%. You can also get 5.85% CDR from glyphs, 3% from offensive masteries, and 6% from utility masteries. That's what you have to work with.
The best alternatives I've come up with are: Ionian Boots + Nashor's Tooth (no Runes or Masteries), Brutalizer + Nashor's Tooth (Offensive Masteries + 3 CDR glyphs), and Nashor's Tooth (Offensive and Utility Masteries + full CDR glyphs). I favour the last one because it's more efficient in item slots, because glyphs aren't that hot for you, because it frees you to purchase Zerk Greaves, and because the Utility tree works okay on you. My second choice would be MR or Mana/5 glyphs, full Offensive tree (Havoc is great) and Ionian Boots.

3) Full Attack Speed & Magic Damage Kayle is not the One True Build.

Attack Speed & Magic Damage Kayle (combo pack of Nashor's Tooth, Wit's End, Malady, Bloodrazor, all that jazz) has the problem that she doesn't scale very well. She has no synergy with Crit%, and you're going to be more affected by Armor and MRes stacking: Kayle's new passive blows, and she can't afford to purchase both a Last Whisper AND a Void Staff.

My argument is that full AS & MD Kayle is a situational build for when Armor / MRes stacking is not going to be a problem (game doesn't last long enough), and for when some side-effects of the damage items you're buying become attractive (MRes from Wit's End if you're getting bursted down, % health damage from Bloodrazor against Warmog's stacking). You can build a competitive "standard carry" Kayle that scales better in late game (WARNING: MATH).
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On July 30 2011 22:05 Khelevaster wrote:


I would like to disagree on almost all of your points.

1. I don't know how the pro's played her, but my version of AP Kayle was Deathcap + Lich Bane. She had very nice burst from just Q + fwoosh. I feel that the nerfs have been targeting this type of build.
So yes, her passive has been severely nerfed, but the AP ratio on Q has been buffed, so this build hasn't been nerfed out completely.

2. Yes she likes to have 40% cdr but it's not absolutely essential for her living. She can do OK with around 20% (boots+masteries). Nashor's sucks. So does Brutalizer on her.

3. Not sure about the 'standard' carry items. Why not just take MF or Ashe if you're going to build that? Kog'maw gets better mileage out of the Malady + Wit's End too. I think that Kayle has to be built with straight AP or hybrid.

On July 30 2011 10:56 UniversalSnip wrote:
if a hero's best build legitimately includes nashor's tooth that hero is not worth playing. Tooth is complete garbage, attack speed, cdr and mana regen are three of the least synergetic stats you could pile onto one item.

On July 30 2011 22:05 Khelevaster wrote:
I would like to disagree on almost all of your points.

1. I don't know how the pro's played her, but my version of AP Kayle was Deathcap + Lich Bane. She had very nice burst from just Q + fwoosh. I feel that the nerfs have been targeting this type of build.
So yes, her passive has been severely nerfed, but the AP ratio on Q has been buffed, so this build hasn't been nerfed out completely.

2. Yes she likes to have 40% cdr but it's not absolutely essential for her living. She can do OK with around 20% (boots+masteries). Nashor's sucks. So does Brutalizer on her.

3. Not sure about the 'standard' carry items. Why not just take MF or Ashe if you're going to build that? Kog'maw gets better mileage out of the Malady + Wit's End too. I think that Kayle has to be built with straight AP or hybrid.

On July 31 2011 03:42 gnutz wrote:
Just played her and I actually think she has the same "main" role as before, a nice niche champion, hybrid with ultimate.

You don't need Rageblade anymore, Malady, Triforce and Madreds are enough damage ... at least it seemed for me it was better then before with Rageblade and shit. (And yes that's what recommended says .. aside from Cleaver i would actually play exactly like recommended does)

On July 31 2011 03:18 Black Paper Moon wrote:
I'd easily call her the strongest ranged carry in late game right now.

On August 09 2011 05:28 LeglessPuppy wrote:
tk I don't know what you are building on her but whenever I play her I just melt people and play to support the rest of my team. I build Malady for additional shredding of MR, BC for additional armor shredding, madreds for shredding any sort of tank, and if the game lasts long enough I get something with an aura to support my team.

Usually I get to about 2.3 attack speed and hit for 200+/shot on creeps + the e bonus.

Kayle is very good as a ranged carry right now. Only complaint I have with her is the heal nerf.

On August 09 2011 05:37 Juicyfruit wrote:
You could build malady and BC on another ranged DPS and probably get a better halfassed armor shredder support thingy (which is a bad role anyways). Kayle's passive synergizes negatively with malady/BC so that doesn't help.

On September 18 2011 12:50 LeglessPuppy wrote:
My item build I normally go on kayle is as follows:

Regrowth pendant and a pot 1st
Philo Stone
Berserker Greaves
Malady
Black Cleaver
Banshee's Veil
Hextech Gunblade
Then if it goes on long enough I sell my philo stone for a blood razor or more defensive items. This is the build I always use on her and as long as someone doesnt feed early she goes into the late game very well.

On September 20 2011 21:32 ToT)OjKa( wrote:
I've been going 9/21/0 lately, she doesn't seem to need util apart from the movement and I find 21 in offence just not necessary.

Regrowth
Philo
Zerkers
Malady
Wit's End
Madreds

I have about 2.0 attack speed by now, it's a little hard to see exactly how much damage you do but so many numbers and shit just dies.

I use AS marks + Quints, mana regen yellow, MR blue

On August 30 2011 05:48 arthur wrote:
Kayle was my most played ranked prenerf (when she was UP early and OP late)

I quit playing Kayle after her "fix" (when she was UP, early UP mid, UP late and broken to boot).

Small buff + bug fix and a few games show she was still UP compared to the old Kayle.

Another small buff, she still feels completely dwarved by her ancestor, however, I am sticking to her now.



So far I've decided going 16-0-14 beats the old 9-0-21.

Taking a more offensive runepage beats the old AP/Mana regen runepage. Ad reds, Attackspeed yellow, AP/level blues + AP quints.


Itemwise she used to be incredibly dependant on the Hybrid items.

Now she is more versatile...


Id love to hear everyones Kayle itembuilds.

I am trying them all, slight change by slight change, game by game.

On October 08 2011 14:37 UniversalSnip wrote:
i dunno if her ap ratios are actually that bad. 1.0 ap scaling is a lot more than 1.0 ad scaling (lee sin has 1.8 bonus ad scaling on his Q alone, imagine if annie Q had 1.8 ap scaling). Also, assume kog'maw's W has ok ap scaling for an autoattack bonus... 100 ap gives 1/6th of the bonus. 100 ap gives kayle 1/3rd of her steroid over again.

On October 08 2011 14:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
I've been doing pretty well with

double dblade - zerks - Black cleaver - starks. Then GA/BT in whatever order you think you need.

run cleanse/flash to make her pretty much ungankable in a lane. Farm to your hearts content!
R>Q>E>W with 1 level of w at 3 or 4.

I personally don't think AP is worth it, the ratio on her E is mediocre, her Q scales equally with AD/AP, and the AP scaling on her W is negligible. As a pure AD carry, I think she has a surprisingly good kit. Slow/scaling nuke/damage amp. Slight heal/ms boost. Low range but built in splash and some magic damage. Her ultimate is obviously a carry's dream, and it also allows a solid amount of time to life leech.

On December 20 2011 04:08 starfries wrote:
Is her lategame really still that amazing? It really feels like she gets outdamaged by most other ranged carries lategame (at least the ones with a steroid). I'd say she's more strong around level 9 since I max E and you can grab redbuff and towerdive people all day. Lategame I just end up being an ult bot and second ranged carry. It's not bad but it's not the feeling old Kayle had where you just ult yourself and kill everything.

I've had decent success with AD builds but I'm starting to like bruiser style wriggles+wit's end.

On December 20 2011 04:58 wei2coolman wrote:

No one can out damage kayle late game, mostly because of her ability to AOE damage. It's pretty much like tiamat stacking for most other characters. Not to mention her ulti is beyond clutch.

On December 20 2011 04:08 starfries wrote:
Is her lategame really still that amazing? It really feels like she gets outdamaged by most other ranged carries lategame (at least the ones with a steroid). I'd say she's more strong around level 9 since I max E and you can grab redbuff and towerdive people all day. Lategame I just end up being an ult bot and second ranged carry. It's not bad but it's not the feeling old Kayle had where you just ult yourself and kill everything.

I've had decent success with AD builds but I'm starting to like bruiser style wriggles+wit's end.

On January 27 2012 10:18 57 Corvette wrote:
Been trying out Jungle kayle a bit in ranked (Gotta have a reason for using my battleborn skin <3 )
Been averaging about 3/2/7, not a high score for a carry jungler, but still pretty good i suppose

Edit (Feb 27th) I made a video guide of the Kayle jungle guide posted on the last page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0imE8jcJ9U

On March 07 2012 08:11 Seuss wrote:
I don't think Q's burst is worth losing out on the clearspeed, teamfight strength, and dueling power of E. Your counter-jungling woes are most likely the direct result of your decision to max Q first, as you're losing clear speed (making it easier for your camps to be stolen) and dueling capability (since duels against other junglers are less about burst and more about slugging it out).

I definitely agree, however, that on-hit items are fairly meh on jungle Kayle.

On March 07 2012 10:52 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:

Kayle's counterjungling woes are a matter of fact, not discussion. I have maxed E before and died to lee sins with lvl3 while I was lvl 2, and they had half my life D:
Kayle's a bad duelist. She's probably better than all the AD when she maxes E, close to graves and urgot, but she's still considered half ranged in terms of scalability.

On March 07 2012 14:21 Seuss wrote:


It perplexes me that you'd lose to Lee Sin in the situation you described, because I've been in similar ones with the opposite result. She's not the best duelist, but in my experience she's not so weak that she'll lose to a level 2 Lee Sin with half her health unless you're both low and he gets the jump on you or has your red buff.

On March 10 2012 17:38 nosliw wrote:
what's wrong with pushing bot lanes? opponent loses CS to tower, and you can go take double golems or wolves.

On March 15 2012 22:16 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
I'm still trying to make kayle work.

Was wondering if anyone knew. Does Kayle's splash damage that scales off her AD do physical or magic damage? I assume it's magic but I can't be sure. I'll probably do the tests myself when I have the chance.

On March 16 2012 01:32 koreasilver wrote:
Kayle does both physical and magic damage with her E, which is the main reason why she's capable of beating down a lot of those weak gap closer melee champs, because it's hard for them to build a rune page against you and itemize within the game if you build AD. AD Kayle has the benefit of dishing out a lot of physical damage while also having a very unignorable amount of base magic damage that comes with the E.

To the primary target you do the base magic damage from the E as magic damage + your AD as physical, then to the surrounding units the splash does the base magic damage as magic damage + a % of your AD as magic, I think. I'm PRETTY sure that's how the damage works against the primary target, but how the splash works I'm rather unsure.

On March 16 2012 05:25 RouaF wrote:
If you have questions about kayle jungle go ask warlock90 on euw :D he is 2200+ and ONLY plays that champ. afaik he starts red (without doing wraith) and ganks lvl 2 almost everytime. it works pretty well but now most people know him so he sometimes gets countered quite hard

On March 23 2012 15:18 nosliw wrote:
Does anyone know what happens when you have righteous fury and tiamat on kayle? Is the splash bonus 50%? It sounds like you will do almost full damage as AOE.

On March 25 2012 17:26 Mentor wrote:

Righteous Fury only increases the range of your normal attack, which is considered melee. So eventhough the attacks from your "e" are ranged it will still apply the full 50% splash.
That said, "e" is already the best aoe in the entire game, so Tiamat is kind of pointless imo.

*Kayle's autoattacks are considered ranged for the duration.

*Righteous Fury's magic damage on-hit (to the main target) will proc 35% slow of Rylai's slow and 100% spell vamp. The splash damage (magic portion) will proc 15% slow and 33% spell vamp.

On March 16 2012 05:30 NeoIllusions wrote:

Any VODs/stream recordings of this guy, by chance? I'd want to see a competent jungle Kayle. :3

On April 10 2012 13:57 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:

Cloth and 5 pots is mandatory on jungle kayle.

On April 10 2012 16:39 Seuss wrote:


I don't think CA + 5p is remotely necessary for her. Unless you're ganking at level 2 you should be taking W because Q adds so little to your jungle clear speed/efficiency. Between a leash and spamming W your health will remain very high. Without a leash you should still be able to clear without difficulty. This will only become more true post-patch when W's heal is buffed.

You shouldn't take CA + 5p unless you're certain you're going to get attacked directly in the jungle, and even then I don't think it's necessary unless your team refuses to leash for you.

On April 10 2012 16:39 Seuss wrote:


I don't think CA + 5p is remotely necessary for her. Unless you're ganking at level 2 you should be taking W because Q adds so little to your jungle clear speed/efficiency. Between a leash and spamming W your health will remain very high. Without a leash you should still be able to clear without difficulty. This will only become more true post-patch when W's heal is buffed.

You shouldn't take CA + 5p unless you're certain you're going to get attacked directly in the jungle, and even then I don't think it's necessary unless your team refuses to leash for you.

On April 12 2012 06:48 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Ugh. I think I was wrong about kayle's W change. The intended change now is a movement speed duration buff of 2.5->3 seconds. Yay .5 seconds ,__,
Also no movement speed % increase.

Ah well. Hopefully no one picks her up.

On April 12 2012 10:47 Seuss wrote:


Huh? On the PBE, right as of this moment, Kayle's W has received the following buffs.

Divine Blessing now increases movement speed by 18/21/24/27/30% for 3 seconds, up from 15/17/19/21/23% for 2.5 seconds.
Divine Blessing now heals for 60/105/150/195/240, up from 45/85/125/165/205.
Divine Blessing now costs 60/70/80/90/100 Mana, up from 60/65/70/75/80 Mana.

Unless you're aware of some red post stating they're going to change that, I don't know what you're talking about.

On April 12 2012 23:14 Haemonculus wrote:

Is this the only change Kayle's received so far? I really enjoy playing her, (especially as a jungler) but it really feels that unless you get some solid kills early on you just aren't strong at all late game.

That said if you get fed, shenanigans ensue and you are a fuckin' terror coming out of the bushes.

On April 15 2012 03:17 Haemonculus wrote:
Could anyone ever justify hybrid pen runes on Kayle? Right after I got my dodge refund I bought a full set of reds/quints, but I never use them. I just end up using MS quints and AS reds for Kayle.

Ffffffff I immediately regret that decision!

On April 12 2012 10:52 Strykemard wrote:
kayles ult is so underused. I always wanted to do a kayle-vayne lineup and decimate people but somehow that doesnt seem to work.

On April 19 2012 22:58 Haemonculus wrote:
I love love love playing Kayle as a jungler. The buff didn't do all too much but the extra half second and minor speed buff on her W is really nice for ganks. You do gotta get an early kill or assist or two, but she's pretty strong given the right items. Your early game ganks are terrifyingly good. Q is such a one-point wonder. 35% slow for 4 seconds at lvl1? Yes plz!

Never tried her as an AD carry, but I might have to look into that. Player her top and mid a few times with ignite/ghost, and your ability to tower dive people at level 6 is hilarious. Absolutely crushed a katarina and did surprisingly well against vlad until late game. I always rune/mastery build her as a hybrid though, so perhaps I should be going straight AD?