EPTLotV Beta Balance Update - October 23 - Page 5
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Marl
United States694 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3454 Posts
Casting Mass Recall with the Mothership while moving should now be more responsive. Finally..... | ||
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
On October 25 2015 09:01 Teogamer wrote: Make it so tank medivacs can shoot air IMO. How sweet would it be to see mass carrier vs mass air tanks haha. Blizzard, hire this man. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20320 Posts
You cant have more units than normal 3 rax production If he has 8 gateways, a robo and a twilight council and you're on 3 rax without stim then you messed up. I'm not sure if you mean adepts with or without the upgrade, but 2-base adept non-upgrade pushes are far, far weaker than before since they removed 40 base health then added 10 back again. For example, widow mines oneshot them with notable splash damage. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On October 25 2015 06:50 parkufarku wrote: he's not happy with a 50 health nerf. Hell, he's prob not happy until that thing is completely useless like BW scout. What the hell are you guys responding to? I said liberators should be nerfed ages ago, but only in combination with the other OP air units of each race. Instead, liberators are mostly nerfed and parasitic bomb is still the same and carriers -50 HP are essentially the same too -_- you don't see a problem when you only basically nerfbat Terran? | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
I mean, it's getting ridiculous, the expansion should make stuff better, but it feels like everyone thinks TvT went from a 5star matchup to 1star or something like that and blizzard is running on the stance that tank drops are fun and it doesn't matter at all if people actually hate game because of it, for as long as that thing itself somehow seems fun... | ||
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Aquila-
516 Posts
On October 25 2015 09:30 Cyro wrote: If he has 8 gateways, a robo and a twilight council and you're on 3 rax without stim then you messed up. I'm not sure if you mean adepts with or without the upgrade, but 2-base adept non-upgrade pushes are far, far weaker than before since they removed 40 base health then added 10 back again. For example, widow mines oneshot them with notable splash damage. Here is a replay, the allin hits before 5 min when stim is like half way done. Didnt have the best macro but I added 2 rax when I saw many gates because I guessed it, instantly pulled all scvs and marines and still died. So what could I have done? http://ggtracker.com/matches/6226677 | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20320 Posts
On October 25 2015 10:18 Aquila- wrote: Here is a replay, the allin hits before 5 min when stim is like half way done. Didnt have the best macro but I added 2 rax when I saw many gates because I guessed it, instantly pulled all scvs and marines and still died. So what could I have done? http://ggtracker.com/matches/6226677 Ahahaha that looks exactly like the shit i would do if terran went CC first and then delayed rax and gas for engi bay blocking nexus :D You should really evaluate your own play and openings because that's not the only thing that you're vulnerable to. You are just immediately deflecting blame onto your opponent/balance every game by doing that before even considering anything else A protoss player cannot reasonably put 12 units in your base when you have 13 unupgraded marines and no other army units unless you have an opening full of holes like that. If it happens, it doesn't matter if those units are Adepts or not | ||
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CptMarvel
France236 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9407 Posts
On October 25 2015 10:01 Big J wrote: Hey TL Mods, can we get some sort of poll or so going about TvT? I feel like everybody in LotV has started to hate the matchup, my own experience is that everyone is cheesing and if you ask them why it is because they don't want to play TvT. I mean, it's getting ridiculous, the expansion should make stuff better, but it feels like everyone thinks TvT went from a 5star matchup to 1star or something like that and blizzard is running on the stance that tank drops are fun and it doesn't matter at all if people actually hate game because of it, for as long as that thing itself somehow seems fun... Are tank medivac drops still super strong with the new delay? Didn't it change anything? | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On October 25 2015 10:01 Big J wrote: Hey TL Mods, can we get some sort of poll or so going about TvT? I feel like everybody in LotV has started to hate the matchup, my own experience is that everyone is cheesing and if you ask them why it is because they don't want to play TvT. I mean, it's getting ridiculous, the expansion should make stuff better, but it feels like everyone thinks TvT went from a 5star matchup to 1star or something like that and blizzard is running on the stance that tank drops are fun and it doesn't matter at all if people actually hate game because of it, for as long as that thing itself somehow seems fun... I feel that TvT has gone downward since the medieval boost was introduced. Hopefully Lotv TvT won´t be only mass doom dropping and yolo BC jumps.... | ||
Liquid`Bunny
Denmark145 Posts
 Playing with the tank-medivacs in TvT still seems a bit silly though | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1458 Posts
On October 25 2015 20:05 RaFox17 wrote: I feel that TvT has gone downward since the medieval boost was introduced. Hopefully Lotv TvT won´t be only mass doom dropping and yolo BC jumps.... Uh no? You dont know anything about the state of matchup if you think thats happening. BCs arent used at all. Whats happening instead is tank drops and huge less emphasis on tank positioning and more of surprise drop factor using medivac ever before, which kinda ruins the tank vs tank positioning aspects. Even with delay, the mobility you gain from medivac far outweighs without as it is only 1 second compared to 5-6 seconds of unsieged siege time. | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On October 25 2015 22:01 jinjin5000 wrote: Uh no? You dont know anything about the state of matchup if you think thats happening. BCs arent used at all. Whats happening instead is tank drops and huge less emphasis on tank positioning and more of surprise drop factor using medivac ever before, which kinda ruins the tank vs tank positioning aspects. Even with delay, the mobility you gain from medivac far outweighs without as it is only 1 second compared to 5-6 seconds of unsieged siege time. I was talking about the future with the BC´s. My personal opinion is that TvT is easily the worst mirror in Hots and has a good chance of being the same in Lotv if medivacs stay the same. | ||
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MrFreeman
207 Posts
I still hope for even mineral fields and hopefully less need for fast expanding, to make the game less stressful, but well, on can hope . | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16008 Posts
On October 25 2015 22:01 jinjin5000 wrote: Uh no? You dont know anything about the state of matchup if you think thats happening. BCs arent used at all. Whats happening instead is tank drops and huge less emphasis on tank positioning and more of surprise drop factor using medivac ever before, which kinda ruins the tank vs tank positioning aspects. Even with delay, the mobility you gain from medivac far outweighs without as it is only 1 second compared to 5-6 seconds of unsieged siege time. DK designs the game around "cool" moments. in his view blowing everything up with a surprise doom drop is far more exciting than boring positional battles. | ||
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Shinba
25 Posts
On October 25 2015 20:11 Liquid`Bunny wrote: Good patch, really like the liberator changes Playing with the tank-medivacs in TvT still seems a bit silly thoughPeople should read this message cuz liberators got buffed not nerfed You can open liberators now you can do Hellbat/Liberator push and all in on 2 or 3 bases People should expect a damage nerf on liberators at least. | ||
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Aquila-
516 Posts
On October 25 2015 11:21 Cyro wrote: Ahahaha that looks exactly like the shit i would do if terran went CC first and then delayed rax and gas for engi bay blocking nexus :D You should really evaluate your own play and openings because that's not the only thing that you're vulnerable to. You are just immediately deflecting blame onto your opponent/balance every game by doing that before even considering anything else A protoss player cannot reasonably put 12 units in your base when you have 13 unupgraded marines and no other army units unless you have an opening full of holes like that. If it happens, it doesn't matter if those units are Adepts or not So I still dont have a concrete suggestion of what I could have done. I used a standard build order and there is no way to know if it is warpprism and at what location it will fly into my base. | ||
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XlorD
Germany16 Posts
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beefITek
France54 Posts
Sorry blizz, but this time you failed | ||
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