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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On October 10 2015 12:54 GinDo wrote: At least Adepts look cool. Warhounds were ugly as hell. But yeah, totally agree. Adepts are pretty much reskinned Warhounds  jesus they're not even close to being like the warhound, stop comparing those, it's ludicrous | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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BigRedDog
461 Posts
That's probably what they will do with Cyclone. The most important point is to see whether anyone will use them in any matchups. | ||
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moofang
508 Posts
I'm not sure exactly why, but it was really fun and I really liked it. It was my favorite LOTV change. I had hoped they'd be able to balance it in some way other than revert 2s warpins | ||
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Haukinger
Germany131 Posts
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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SC2Angora
53 Posts
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varsovie
Canada326 Posts
On October 10 2015 04:39 CannonsNCarriers wrote: Hellion/Cyclone every matchup FTW? I will try to make it work. Kite for days, then Helbat for the finisher. Wait until 2 cyclones morph into Thor and Liberator + Banshee morph into BC... | ||
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JCoto
Spain574 Posts
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Deleted User 132135
702 Posts
On October 10 2015 10:10 Spyridon wrote: Peoples feedback should be taken in to consideration, but the bigger problem is that they do not even have clear goals with the game. The designers of SC2 do not have a vision they are trying to build. They have ideas, they decide to try them, and then depending on how much people bitch they decide to keep them or not. It has nothing to do with accomplishing a vision. They are trying too hard to make an eSport rather than a fun game... Feedback is meant to help determine if you are accomplishing your design goals correctly. Not determine the entire design of the damn game. That's why people being split 50/50 is a problem. It causes a stalemate when the designers don't know wtf they are going for anymore... Thats what I said long time ago. The vision is that the average game shouldn't take longer than 20 minutes, as probably some research resulted in potentially catching most ppl then, that it is somewhat accessible for casuals and in no way they wanted to just copy SC:BW. Thats it :p | ||
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TedCruz2016
Hong Kong271 Posts
On October 10 2015 18:08 SC2Angora wrote: How many time we need to wait to have the parasitic bomb and the 8 ultra armur go out of this game ? Zerg isn't supposed to have such powerful units or skills. It's against the design of the race, which is quantity over quality - cheap units in large numbers. It should be mass lings, roaches or hydras against thor or BC, not MMMM against ultras. | ||
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
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BamBam
745 Posts
On October 10 2015 18:56 TedCruz2016 wrote: Zerg isn't supposed to have such powerful units or skills. It's against the design of the race, which is quantity over quality - cheap units in large numbers. It should be mass lings, roaches or hydras against thor or BC, not MMMM against ultras. If that were the case then zerg should have more 1 supply units But they dont | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
On October 10 2015 18:56 TedCruz2016 wrote: Zerg isn't supposed to have such powerful units or skills. It's against the design of the race, which is quantity over quality - cheap units in large numbers. It should be mass lings, roaches or hydras against thor or BC, not MMMM against ultras. Very true. They have almost reversed Zerg and Protoss because of the inject mechanic and warp in. Inconsistent amounts of larva at any point in the game meant that Zerg now has too many expensive higher supply stronger units to offset that 10 minutes in you might have 30 larva or 3 depending if you hit injects, or if a queen or two gets killed. This is then why Zerg try to just bank up a ton because that's the only way to remax with the cost on units. It should be cheap units constantly flooding across the map. Zerg actually is the race that should have the mule to then make more macro hatches. On the flip side toss should have the expensive strong units. But because of warp ins anywhere on the map they had to make their gateway units weak. Even Terran players with bio and mines streaming across the map play more "zergy" than Zerg half the time. The inject mechanic which should have made Zerg more swarm like actually has the opposite effect. | ||
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Araneae
Norway100 Posts
On October 10 2015 07:10 Nam_Pho_life wrote: the cyclone speed is good, not super crazy, its slower than a hellion and speedlings can still catch it The cyclone is now faster than speedlings off creep. Speedlings off creep: 4.7 Cyclone: 4.72 | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3380 Posts
On October 10 2015 20:43 Araneae wrote: The cyclone is now faster than speedlings off creep. Speedlings off creep: 4.7 Cyclone: 4.72 Oh wow, I imagined they would increase it to be almost as fast as the Hellion, so they could run around together as a harassment force. Interceptor is still faster though, Carrier>Cyclone  | ||
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Athenau
569 Posts
On October 10 2015 20:43 Araneae wrote: The cyclone is now faster than speedlings off creep. Speedlings off creep: 4.7 Cyclone: 4.72 On October 10 2015 06:29 Athenau wrote: No, they're using the new real-time numbers in the patch notes. Cyclones are stim bio speed now (3.375). They were worker speed (2.81) before. | ||
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Sosuka
Germany13 Posts
As a Zerg i feel like Adepts are totally fine and the healthchange is unnecessary. cyclones feel to weak vs the first arriving air units which i feel like they should be a counter against. My suggestion for cyclones would be: instead of the current lock on give them an abillity that really cycles: let them have an abillity that when activated increases their attackspeed by 20% per sec for 4 sec. to a total of 80% and after that it reduces their movement speed for 4 seconds with a 16 second cooldown. That allows them to be a situation based hit and run unit that can be really powerful or extremly weak depending on the situation and it increases their defensive power when behind a wall or defending a mineral line vs an oracle. You could argubly still make an upgrade to nurf and buff the early or lategame usage. liberators shoot to fast and are to good in harrasment and lategame fights mothership core strategys allow for abusive earlygame that nobody wants to watch, play or play against (like making 3 pylons at ur opponents ramp or early third and overcharge them) and lurkers are simply to good vs protoss in early midgame (you can have like 10 lurkers when he has 2/3 disruptors and just push him regardless of the disrupters killing ur lurkers you have to many left over to kill all the ground army) also i feel like ultralisks are slightly too good vs bio and to bad vs liberator counterplay I personally feel like makromechanics are fine as they are. I still feel spammable MULE is to good in lategame while the other mechanics get worse over time. But thats not really an issue with the current state. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On October 10 2015 05:29 owlman wrote: Chrono is more 40% nerf cause HOTS chrono is 50 % increase for 20 sec and you got 25 energy in 40 sec. So it's a 25% average increase in HOTS to 15% LoTV. Minus less flexibility. i don't get balance team anyway those numbers seem so random ... The numbers probably appear random to you, as you (and I, of course) don't have the experience and understanding of balancing SC2. | ||
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moofang
508 Posts
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