EPTOn October 10 2015 08:05 dswarm wrote:
Speedlings aren't the fastest unit anymore? that's messsed up
Speedlings aren't the fastest unit anymore? that's messsed up
in what world?
LotV Beta Balance Update - October 9 - Page 4
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starslayer
United States696 Posts
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BamBam
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On October 10 2015 08:09 KeksX wrote: So I hope they stay true to their word and do big changes even after release. Dont worry, they wont. Its the exact same thing they said when WoL and HoTS were both about to be released, "We'll patch the game!". What we get at release is what will be here to stay, and blizzard would move onto their next project (whatever it maybe). | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 10 2015 06:50 [PkF] Wire wrote: What really bothers me is that they looked to be on the right track for a long period of time, and then they just lost it. The warpgate change was bad, the macro mechanics change just ruined the end of the beta because it should have been tested at the beginning, not in the middle of the beta. They could have improved upon an already great game, but in the end all they created was a mess, and I'm not very optimistic that mess will magically sort out to give us a solid last iteration for our cherished game. I don't know, I usually don't disagree with you too much, but I think it's a lot about what one expects of the expansion. My opinion is that you can surely take the very safe path you outline there. But you might just end up with the exact same metagame. If you don't do some fundamental changes you end up with similar play to HotS. That's not to say that HotS is bad, but LotV should be a new game. Like one of my personal gripes with HotS was that TvZ was basically the same matchup I had played for 1.5years in WoL already with muta/ling/bling for 15-20mins. And ZvZ was just a downgrade of WoL ZvZ. The infestor was broken in other matchups, but in ZvZ it turned out that its power was absolutely needed to hold against the mass roach or mass muta midgame plays that turned out to dominate HotS. And as a spectator, TvP macro games looked very similar with a few new fancy abilities and attacks, but it was the same old bio against Colossus+Templar game eventually. I feel like I want something new, new opportunities and a new mental challenge besides "how do I stop the timing attack with the new unit". Blizzard created this awesome opportunity with the multiple expansion longterm SC2 model. And the changes you list as "bad" are some of the few ones I really care about. For me it's a pity they weren't more adventurous in this beta. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
Pls. It's EXCESSIVE. | ||
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HomeWorld
Romania903 Posts
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emc
United States3088 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3413 Posts
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
Overall, a move in the right direction... Curious to see if this change somehow promotes more Cyclone usage. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 10 2015 09:13 ejozl wrote: Think the Mule mineral pr. trip they're looking for is ~23. They might've been too generous. I think they just try to solve blatant balance problems by turning up the Terran income until they don't matter anymore. | ||
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
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Spyridon
United States997 Posts
On October 10 2015 08:21 KeksX wrote: Because they're trying to please a community that doesn't even know what it wants. People are split 50/50 on so many topics. And then they have this damned early release date, too... Peoples feedback should be taken in to consideration, but the bigger problem is that they do not even have clear goals with the game. The designers of SC2 do not have a vision they are trying to build. They have ideas, they decide to try them, and then depending on how much people bitch they decide to keep them or not. It has nothing to do with accomplishing a vision. They are trying too hard to make an eSport rather than a fun game... Feedback is meant to help determine if you are accomplishing your design goals correctly. Not determine the entire design of the damn game. That's why people being split 50/50 is a problem. It causes a stalemate when the designers don't know wtf they are going for anymore... | ||
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ohmylanta1003
United States128 Posts
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i_am_Nite
Russian Federation66 Posts
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Nam_Pho_life
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
 . Only making it better... | ||
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91matt
United Kingdom147 Posts
On October 10 2015 11:39 Qwyn wrote: That's great. MULE is almost as good as it is in HOTS. They're doing nothing to address how absolutely insane bio is in TvZ . Only making it better...Bio was already very strong in tvz before this patch, its even stronger now. They just have more stuff | ||
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TedCruz2016
Hong Kong271 Posts
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GinDo
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On October 10 2015 08:56 HomeWorld wrote: guess blizzard will keep on beating up the bushes around instead of removing the elephant from the room , the warhound reincarnation, version 2.0, known by the ingame unit name as The Adept At least Adepts look cool. Warhounds were ugly as hell. But yeah, totally agree. Adepts are pretty much reskinned Warhounds | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
On October 10 2015 10:10 Spyridon wrote: Peoples feedback should be taken in to consideration, but the bigger problem is that they do not even have clear goals with the game. The designers of SC2 do not have a vision they are trying to build. They have ideas, they decide to try them, and then depending on how much people bitch they decide to keep them or not. It has nothing to do with accomplishing a vision. They are trying too hard to make an eSport rather than a fun game... Feedback is meant to help determine if you are accomplishing your design goals correctly. Not determine the entire design of the damn game. That's why people being split 50/50 is a problem. It causes a stalemate when the designers don't know wtf they are going for anymore... So true and you can tell this because the comments of what they intended lotv to be early in beta are now long gone. Simpler game with more engagements around the map and more action. Sounded good. Ultimately the game is no different and will be the same HoTS garbage just with a few different units. There is no goal or vision and they forgot to just make a really fun game and let the players take it from there. | ||
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