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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35161 Posts
January 25 2018 13:33 GMT
#61
Free Ass Boots moved up to row 1 in Inspiration on PBE and all previous changes, minus the 50g upgrade discount, reverted. Biscuits moved to row 2.

Feel like it's messing with the theme for the rows and moving Stopwatch down and pushing Dematerializers up would make more sense.
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
January 25 2018 14:41 GMT
#62
What do people think about the echo buffs? Is 10% starting attack speed enouph for him to jungle. My gut says no.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35161 Posts
January 25 2018 15:26 GMT
#63
I wish Ekko was deleted. I can't put into words how accurately I despise that champion.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
January 25 2018 15:32 GMT
#64
On January 25 2018 23:41 General_Winter wrote:
What do people think about the echo buffs? Is 10% starting attack speed enouph for him to jungle. My gut says no.

Well he could jungle before, so yes.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9244 Posts
January 25 2018 16:00 GMT
#65
On January 26 2018 00:26 Gahlo wrote:
I wish Ekko was deleted. I can't put into words how accurately I despise that champion.


Why? He's not that bad now that he can't build tank
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
January 25 2018 16:13 GMT
#66
On January 25 2018 08:09 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 07:27 Ansibled wrote:
but why would you take the sightstone item as a jungler (which you only getter after completing the quest) when you can just get the warding smite?

In pro play, having 6 wards per back instead of 2 is certainly going to be helpful. And in solo queue, maybe you just want blue/red smite. The point is that the item isn't a gigantic waste of gold like the Sightstone items used to be.

So it seems that the green smite / new Sightstone passive is the same, i.e., if you have both you still end up with only 4 wards. Pity.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35161 Posts
January 25 2018 16:18 GMT
#67
On January 26 2018 01:00 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 00:26 Gahlo wrote:
I wish Ekko was deleted. I can't put into words how accurately I despise that champion.


Why? He's not that bad now that he can't build tank

I think his kit is overloaded to the point that he can never be both in the meta and healthy for gameplay.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
January 25 2018 16:42 GMT
#68
On January 26 2018 01:18 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 01:00 Sent. wrote:
On January 26 2018 00:26 Gahlo wrote:
I wish Ekko was deleted. I can't put into words how accurately I despise that champion.


Why? He's not that bad now that he can't build tank

I think his kit is overloaded to the point that he can never be both in the meta and healthy for gameplay.

are we playing buzzwords bingo? personally i think he's toxic for the game without meaningful choices and his non-interactive mobility creep makes the game both unfun and also antifun. his burden of knowledge contributes to a lack of clarity and endgame fantasy while inhibiting strategic diversity. plus his kit is just so binary and lacks counterplay.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35161 Posts
January 25 2018 16:47 GMT
#69
On January 26 2018 01:42 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 01:18 Gahlo wrote:
On January 26 2018 01:00 Sent. wrote:
On January 26 2018 00:26 Gahlo wrote:
I wish Ekko was deleted. I can't put into words how accurately I despise that champion.


Why? He's not that bad now that he can't build tank

I think his kit is overloaded to the point that he can never be both in the meta and healthy for gameplay.

are we playing buzzwords bingo? personally i think he's toxic for the game without meaningful choices and his non-interactive mobility creep makes the game both unfun and also antifun. his burden of knowledge contributes to a lack of clarity and endgame fantasy while inhibiting strategic diversity. plus his kit is just so binary and lacks counterplay.

I could have been more verbose, but what's the point?
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
January 25 2018 17:25 GMT
#70
On January 26 2018 01:47 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 01:42 GrandInquisitor wrote:
On January 26 2018 01:18 Gahlo wrote:
On January 26 2018 01:00 Sent. wrote:
On January 26 2018 00:26 Gahlo wrote:
I wish Ekko was deleted. I can't put into words how accurately I despise that champion.


Why? He's not that bad now that he can't build tank

I think his kit is overloaded to the point that he can never be both in the meta and healthy for gameplay.

are we playing buzzwords bingo? personally i think he's toxic for the game without meaningful choices and his non-interactive mobility creep makes the game both unfun and also antifun. his burden of knowledge contributes to a lack of clarity and endgame fantasy while inhibiting strategic diversity. plus his kit is just so binary and lacks counterplay.

I could have been more verbose, but what's the point?

Why is Ekko unhealthy?
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 25 2018 17:49 GMT
#71
I've been mostly on board with the balance team over the last year but they have made mistakes a few times. This Nunu one is just too much for me. What is the point? There's no middle ground with this buff. He's either broken or it does nothing. Why the fuck are you pushing that kind of change when you admitted he needs a big overhaul?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 25 2018 17:51 GMT
#72
Reworking Nunu is admitting the game is broken and cannot tolerate any kind of uniqueness. I sincerely hope they dont do it.
Freeeeeeedom
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 25 2018 17:57 GMT
#73
I'm fine with them taking nunu out into the streets and gunning him down like the degenerate he is.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
January 25 2018 18:02 GMT
#74
It is definitely amusing to see that Reddit thread that's like OMG NUNU CAN NOW TAKE BARON AT 20 MINUTES

Yes, he "now" can do that ...
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
January 25 2018 18:08 GMT
#75
I miss old top lane nunu. Thems was the days.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-25 18:34:45
January 25 2018 18:31 GMT
#76
sucks being a Nunu player, whenever he isn’t garbage people want him nerfed asap. This buff was definitely over the top, but it didn’t need to be and he doesn’t need a rework. The last time he was meta his health got hard nerfed, they could have just reverted that change instead of this very uninteresting change. Making Nunu universally strong as opposed to stronger when the othe picks are good with him / bad against him.

Also Nunu included I hate this whole unhealthy, toxic unfun for the opponent phrases people use about champions. Designing champions around being fun for the opponent ignores the far more important thing of being fun to play.
Carrilord has arrived.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35161 Posts
January 25 2018 18:47 GMT
#77
On January 26 2018 02:49 Numy wrote:
I've been mostly on board with the balance team over the last year but they have made mistakes a few times. This Nunu one is just too much for me. What is the point? There's no middle ground with this buff. He's either broken or it does nothing. Why the fuck are you pushing that kind of change when you admitted he needs a big overhaul?

I'd have thought Riot be blessed with the foresight of making it adaptive in some manner.

On January 26 2018 02:25 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 01:47 Gahlo wrote:
On January 26 2018 01:42 GrandInquisitor wrote:
On January 26 2018 01:18 Gahlo wrote:
On January 26 2018 01:00 Sent. wrote:
On January 26 2018 00:26 Gahlo wrote:
I wish Ekko was deleted. I can't put into words how accurately I despise that champion.


Why? He's not that bad now that he can't build tank

I think his kit is overloaded to the point that he can never be both in the meta and healthy for gameplay.

are we playing buzzwords bingo? personally i think he's toxic for the game without meaningful choices and his non-interactive mobility creep makes the game both unfun and also antifun. his burden of knowledge contributes to a lack of clarity and endgame fantasy while inhibiting strategic diversity. plus his kit is just so binary and lacks counterplay.

I could have been more verbose, but what's the point?

Why is Ekko unhealthy?

Why does he have a speedbost on his passive when his normal abilities all apply a slow, or is a dash/blink? Why are his auto attacks all missing health executes when he learns W?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 25 2018 18:55 GMT
#78
The execute was supposed to give him a way to finish his opponent. Getting onto them with his mobility, then using the passive to stay there and evade skillshots and stuff with the MS, and since he didn't have as high a burst as other AP assassins, the additional damage on autos was a reward for sticking onto them and giving him the ability to actually finish the job without relying on E + Lichbane or something.

Obviously they put too much move speed differential and too much damage on the kit anyway.

I'm more annoyed by Riven than Ekko design-wise, personally.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 25 2018 18:57 GMT
#79
On January 26 2018 03:08 iCanada wrote:
I miss old top lane nunu. Thems was the days.

Me too.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9244 Posts
January 25 2018 19:38 GMT
#80
On January 26 2018 02:51 cLutZ wrote:
Reworking Nunu is admitting the game is broken and cannot tolerate any kind of uniqueness. I sincerely hope they dont do it.


He should get a rework that wouldn't change his Q. Stuff like turning E into a skillshot, adding some passive to the ult or replacing W with something that requires more apm wouldn't harm Nunu's identity.
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