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On January 26 2018 09:09 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 09:01 cLutZ wrote:On January 26 2018 08:22 DarkCore wrote:Reworking Nunu is admitting the game is broken and cannot tolerate any kind of uniqueness. I sincerely hope they dont do it. This is exactly why Riot won't do anything about Zoe or Orrn for the next few years. They'll have their OP time for a few months, then get nerfed into oblivion. Or they'll become part of the long term meta, like Lee Sin and Orianna. Which would suck real hard. Zoe is certainly unique because all the other hard pokers have been reworked, but Ornn is decidedly not unique. He was before they nerfed him by removing being unstoppable when using W. :^)
Ehh. Maokai is untargetable during his W, Sion is unstoppable in his ult, Olaf's ult ignores CC, Sej becomes immune to slows, Alistar breaks CC, etc. Removing it removed some of his skill ceiling in certain matchups (like vs Irelia & Jax) but it didn't change the pokemon all that much. Either way he's a Bellsprout vs. Oddish.
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On January 26 2018 11:16 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2018 09:09 Jek wrote:On January 26 2018 09:01 cLutZ wrote:On January 26 2018 08:22 DarkCore wrote:Reworking Nunu is admitting the game is broken and cannot tolerate any kind of uniqueness. I sincerely hope they dont do it. This is exactly why Riot won't do anything about Zoe or Orrn for the next few years. They'll have their OP time for a few months, then get nerfed into oblivion. Or they'll become part of the long term meta, like Lee Sin and Orianna. Which would suck real hard. Zoe is certainly unique because all the other hard pokers have been reworked, but Ornn is decidedly not unique. He was before they nerfed him by removing being unstoppable when using W. :^) Ehh. Maokai is untargetable during his W, Sion is unstoppable in his ult, Olaf's ult ignores CC, Sej becomes immune to slows, Alistar breaks CC, etc. Removing it removed some of his skill ceiling in certain matchups (like vs Irelia & Jax) but it didn't change the pokemon all that much. Either way he's a Bellsprout vs. Oddish.
I agree, he's not exactly unique. But he does exhibit the exact properties that people choose tanks for, namely damage sponge, difficult to escape from, good initiation/follow up CC, and good base damage. Also decent laning phase against pretty much everyone top lane. Most tanks aren't particularly exciting champions and don't have much mechanical/putplay potential, they get picked because they are annoying to deal with. Maokai got nerfed quite hard for doing all of the above, so either Orrn is going to replace him or get hit hard by the nerf bat.
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Maybe we are not matching wavelengths but I don't see why Ornn was brought up in response to Nunu, who I think is very unique.
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I wish Nautilus wasn't complete ass.
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I've had his champ shard chilling. Want to give him a go but I know he's just too bad now to play. Do you guys think Swain will be a mid laner now instead of top?
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Oh they already nerfed Nunu
1/25/2018 Balance Update
We wanted Nunu something to do with his hands, but it turns out we gave him too much. Dialing that back so he can settle in a good place.
Q - Consume
ON-HIT DAMAGE 3/5/7/9/11 (+5 per 100 ability power) ⇒ 1/2/3/4/5 (+5 per 100 ability power)
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Damn, that's one fast nerf. Maybe Riot went with the 'Make his numbers high and then adjust accordingly' approach. That's always a good way to go about it, maybe I was too critical.
They haven't touched his W yet though, which is probably the bigger problem people have with him.
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On January 27 2018 00:59 DarkCore wrote:
Damn, that's one fast nerf. Maybe Riot went with the 'Make his numbers high and then adjust accordingly' approach. That's always a good way to go about it, maybe I was too critical.
They haven't touched his W yet though, which is probably the bigger problem people have with him.
The Q is what made him immediately good, and what still makes him a lot better. I'm not sure if W is broken exactly (unless you have like Azir/Kayle/etc) but in general being able to use it on mid and get value feels pretty good. I'm not always entirely sure on who I should use it in teamfights, but I guess the flexibility for it is good.
Nunu was already really good at running around wherever and punching people though, the Q change made it even more hilarious. I've been taking green smite because I was doing placements and didn't want to troll too hard, but playing with red smite would be fun.
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I played a game with a Kayle mid who wasn't doing very well and so just built ardent censer and helped our Jinx, thought it was pretty funny.
+ Show Spoiler +
I've seen people running things other than Guardian on Nunu but I feel like the keystone is completely unskippable.
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On January 29 2018 23:53 Ansibled wrote:I played a game with a Kayle mid who wasn't doing very well and so just built ardent censer and helped our Jinx, thought it was pretty funny. + Show Spoiler +I've seen people running things other than Guardian on Nunu but I feel like the keystone is completely unskippable.
Aery makes blood boil apply ardent and athenes.
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On January 30 2018 03:32 DiracMonopole wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2018 23:53 Ansibled wrote:I played a game with a Kayle mid who wasn't doing very well and so just built ardent censer and helped our Jinx, thought it was pretty funny. + Show Spoiler +I've seen people running things other than Guardian on Nunu but I feel like the keystone is completely unskippable. Aery makes blood boil apply ardent and athenes.
That sounds utterly disgusting.
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The only consolation is that Nunu doesn't exactly buy Athene's in the jungle.
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On January 29 2018 23:53 Ansibled wrote:I played a game with a Kayle mid who wasn't doing very well and so just built ardent censer and helped our Jinx, thought it was pretty funny. + Show Spoiler +I've seen people running things other than Guardian on Nunu but I feel like the keystone is completely unskippable.
I think you mean Lethal Tempo is unskippable on Nunu.
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On January 30 2018 06:23 DarkCore wrote:
The only consolation is that Nunu doesn't exactly buy Athene's in the jungle.
Dat support nunu comeback doe.
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On January 30 2018 06:03 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2018 03:32 DiracMonopole wrote:On January 29 2018 23:53 Ansibled wrote:I played a game with a Kayle mid who wasn't doing very well and so just built ardent censer and helped our Jinx, thought it was pretty funny. + Show Spoiler +I've seen people running things other than Guardian on Nunu but I feel like the keystone is completely unskippable. Aery makes blood boil apply ardent and athenes. That sounds utterly disgusting.
It sounds terrible, lol.
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I prefer spellbook on nunu🤷🏼♂️
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On January 30 2018 08:48 Slusher wrote:
I prefer spellbook on nunu🤷🏼♂️
Spellbook all the things.
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That was my first thought too. Spellbook nunu sounds legit. Is guardian really worth it?
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On January 30 2018 08:48 Slusher wrote:
I prefer spellbook on nunu🤷🏼♂️
This is the only other keystone that sounds like it might be worth taking, but I've found that I run into a lot of situations where the shield is relevant in keeping people alive. I think it depends if you value being able to counterjungle more than his ability to play for team utility, and to me the latter part of his kit is stronger.
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