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DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
September 10 2015 08:10 GMT
#361
With the amount of times they're banned, I haven't even bothered picking up the juggernauts. I'm also not a big top laner, so I haven't played Fiora and GP either, although I've played against them a few times. I have seen Morde once in soloQ so far, right at the start of the juggernaut patch, and since then he's either been insta banned or not picked bc I guess ppl forgot about him in Plat.

I've only gotten an understanding of the champ by watching Rekkles play him on KR soloQ, think Riot did a poor job implementing him into the game: he's a kill lane which will absolutely brutally murder if ahead, or he just sits and farms when behind. But most of the time he's doing everything with his support to try and net a kill, one slip up and Morde kills you.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-10 13:16:10
September 10 2015 13:13 GMT
#362
azir and kalista arent that bad in solo q because people play assassins and the game is more messy and less organized.

both those champs get deleted by something like rengar or talon, but if your team is playing a "competitive" team like maokai top and reksai jungle and orianna mid or something then all of a sudden those 2 champs with crazy mobility and zone control become nightmares to play against when you can't actually get to them and they are supported properly by their team.

this also holds true the other way and why vayne is really strong in solo q. has a lot of self peel and can 1v1 pretty much anything if played properly so she doesnt need team support at all. but in competitive she hasn't done that well since there's no need for a short ranged adc. with proper positioning and support you want as much range/damage as you can get. I think that's why asian teams are particularly fond of twitch who has insane damage and range when protected and assassins dont exist
I come in for the scraps
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-10 14:17:51
September 10 2015 14:02 GMT
#363
damn tahm kench + kalista is annoying, i focus kench during gank she ults him away i focus kalista she gets devoured ...
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
September 10 2015 14:30 GMT
#364
Rekkles just made challenger on KR ladder oV
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 10 2015 18:25 GMT
#365
On September 10 2015 23:30 Mensol wrote:
Rekkles just made challenger on KR ladder oV


Why are people surprised? Kid is incredibly skilled, his weakness is that he has a passive mindset in pro games.
Freeeeeeedom
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-10 19:18:25
September 10 2015 19:17 GMT
#366
Even when TSM lose Riot still think they're the best. I think to be an NA hope you should have more than 3/5 NA players.

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'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-10 20:19:14
September 10 2015 20:18 GMT
#367
I think import whining is about 6 years old by now and was just as silly back then, but hey, whatever keeps the TSM hate alive.
XDG Mata
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-10 20:21:36
September 10 2015 20:21 GMT
#368
'Import whining'

I don't think they should have region locked at all, lol. I just don't think you can be the NA hope when you don't have many NA players and especially when you didn't win against a team that did.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 10 2015 20:23 GMT
#369
Dont think that's that big an issue. The bigger issue is that fact that TSM is the great North American hope instead of CLG. That just reeks of TSM pandering lol.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
September 10 2015 20:24 GMT
#370
It's almost like somebody wrote an opinion piece.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-10 20:28:08
September 10 2015 20:25 GMT
#371
On September 11 2015 05:24 Gahlo wrote:
It's almost like somebody wrote an opinion piece.

They've stated that these articles are supposed to be reference context for Worlds. CLG won, they are the best NA team going into Worlds and there is no reason to consider TSM the 'NA hope' over them.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
September 10 2015 20:41 GMT
#372
On September 11 2015 05:25 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2015 05:24 Gahlo wrote:
It's almost like somebody wrote an opinion piece.

They've stated that these articles are supposed to be reference context for Worlds. CLG won, they are the best NA team going into Worlds and there is no reason to consider TSM the 'NA hope' over them.

Do you not understand the definition of opinion?
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
September 10 2015 20:45 GMT
#373
The real question is why would you even read lolesports articles when you know they do shit like this lol.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
September 10 2015 20:46 GMT
#374
On September 10 2015 14:59 Sonnington wrote:
Despite how strong Kalista and Azir were, they were never at a pick/ban level of frustration. Sometimes people would pick them and destroy the game. Most of the time they didn't. Their winrates weren't astronomic either, so it's never really felt like they were too OP in solo q.

Overall, I just don't like the idea of Mord being a substitute ADC, I can live with it though.


In soloqueue maybe? But in pro play? Kalista had a 63% win rate last season and a 90% pick+Ban rate. Easily the most dominant champion of the last split. To the point where we were talking about entire teams having massive structural problems because their AD didn't play Kalista (which meant they were playing with 2 bans on blue side instead of 3)

The truth is that since last season Riot cannot balance for soloqueue alone anymore. And they are probably showing that they can't balance for professional games either, but that seems to be a competency or integrity issue

Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
September 10 2015 20:49 GMT
#375
On September 11 2015 05:41 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2015 05:25 Ansibled wrote:
On September 11 2015 05:24 Gahlo wrote:
It's almost like somebody wrote an opinion piece.

They've stated that these articles are supposed to be reference context for Worlds. CLG won, they are the best NA team going into Worlds and there is no reason to consider TSM the 'NA hope' over them.

Do you not understand the definition of opinion?

Fnatic is the best team in the world is an opinion, but it doesn't belong in something that is supposed to supply context to those uninformed.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
September 10 2015 20:53 GMT
#376
On September 11 2015 05:49 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2015 05:41 Gahlo wrote:
On September 11 2015 05:25 Ansibled wrote:
On September 11 2015 05:24 Gahlo wrote:
It's almost like somebody wrote an opinion piece.

They've stated that these articles are supposed to be reference context for Worlds. CLG won, they are the best NA team going into Worlds and there is no reason to consider TSM the 'NA hope' over them.

Do you not understand the definition of opinion?

Fnatic is the best team in the world is an opinion, but it doesn't belong in something that is supposed to supply context to those uninformed.

Are you seriously going to the literally fluff piece paragon that is lolesports and expecting frank discussion of the competitive scene? I'm sorry bro, but you went to the wrong place. That's like going to a League tournament and complaining there isn't enough DOTA being played.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
September 10 2015 21:14 GMT
#377
So you agree with him that calling tsm the na hope is dumb its just that you expect nothing more of lolesports?
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35150 Posts
September 10 2015 21:20 GMT
#378
On September 11 2015 06:14 AlterKot wrote:
So you agree with him that calling tsm the na hope is dumb its just that you expect nothing more of lolesports?

Duh. There's literally 0 reason to make that statement unless you sit in on both CLG and TSM's scrims and see for yourself that TSM performs better against the competition.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 10 2015 21:33 GMT
#379
On September 11 2015 05:46 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2015 14:59 Sonnington wrote:
Despite how strong Kalista and Azir were, they were never at a pick/ban level of frustration. Sometimes people would pick them and destroy the game. Most of the time they didn't. Their winrates weren't astronomic either, so it's never really felt like they were too OP in solo q.

Overall, I just don't like the idea of Mord being a substitute ADC, I can live with it though.


In soloqueue maybe? But in pro play? Kalista had a 63% win rate last season and a 90% pick+Ban rate. Easily the most dominant champion of the last split. To the point where we were talking about entire teams having massive structural problems because their AD didn't play Kalista (which meant they were playing with 2 bans on blue side instead of 3)

The truth is that since last season Riot cannot balance for soloqueue alone anymore. And they are probably showing that they can't balance for professional games either, but that seems to be a competency or integrity issue



They have a pro play problem in that they keep designing champions that are, by the nature of their kits, going to have vastly differing power levels from soloQ to pros. And when they need to nerf them for pro play, it just generates a shitstorm in soloQ because Rengar, Kassadin, Gnar, Azir, Kalista, RekSai, or whoever, ends up at 40% winrate in order to not be insane for the pros.
Freeeeeeedom
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
September 10 2015 22:55 GMT
#380
On September 11 2015 06:33 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2015 05:46 Goumindong wrote:
On September 10 2015 14:59 Sonnington wrote:
Despite how strong Kalista and Azir were, they were never at a pick/ban level of frustration. Sometimes people would pick them and destroy the game. Most of the time they didn't. Their winrates weren't astronomic either, so it's never really felt like they were too OP in solo q.

Overall, I just don't like the idea of Mord being a substitute ADC, I can live with it though.


In soloqueue maybe? But in pro play? Kalista had a 63% win rate last season and a 90% pick+Ban rate. Easily the most dominant champion of the last split. To the point where we were talking about entire teams having massive structural problems because their AD didn't play Kalista (which meant they were playing with 2 bans on blue side instead of 3)

The truth is that since last season Riot cannot balance for soloqueue alone anymore. And they are probably showing that they can't balance for professional games either, but that seems to be a competency or integrity issue



They have a pro play problem in that they keep designing champions that are, by the nature of their kits, going to have vastly differing power levels from soloQ to pros. And when they need to nerf them for pro play, it just generates a shitstorm in soloQ because Rengar, Kassadin, Gnar, Azir, Kalista, RekSai, or whoever, ends up at 40% winrate in order to not be insane for the pros.

Absolutely. Additionally they keep designing champions that offen aren't fun to play against.
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