[Patch 5.17] League of Legends General Discussion - Page 27

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

September 15 2015 18:57 GMT

#521

On September 16 2015 03:48 Numy wrote:
I think Tahm Kench ally W is the more interesting design than his ulti. It's like disruption but has even more troll potential which I thought Riot would never do. Glad they got over their fear of the players

They are simultaneously purging the playerbase so thats probably why.

On the topic of the champion, they have to do a lot better then that if new releases are going to be this sparse. all the basic abilities are absolutely atrocious.

for this champ to be a better jungler then say vayne or twitch, the numbers on this champ would have to be obscene. I dont see how this champ can be balanced, weak or strong. its going in with an awful design

to clarify, if you get to become sated as vayne jungle you are probably going to win 9 out of 10 games. its just really hard to get there.

if this champ has a safe/easy clear and can stay on even map presence footing with other junglers while getting to sated? -_- especially when its obvious this champ is tailor made for sated

Goumindong

United States3529 Posts

September 15 2015 19:13 GMT

#522

On September 16 2015 03:17 Sufficiency wrote:
I think Riot's decision to not force ADC to be played in bottom lane is a huge mistake. It is hard to shake off 4+ years of tradition. The players won't like it.

Eh. The real problem is that "game theory"* almost certainly dictates mirrored setups. So if you have a few champions which do not fit the meta then you're not stable, one of the setups will be superior and so be 100% pick/ban or not played. If you have a lot of champions that "do not fit the meta" and are viable then the meta shifts.

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Biggest problem that I see with the champion is that it appears that marking a champion grants vision of that champion. So you mark the jungler and your entire team knows where they are at all times. Which seems kind of strong. I think this is the case because the passive text says "all players can targets that are marked" not "all players can see the mark". The first implies that you can see the marked player anywhere, the second implies you can see that a player is marked.

Also i don't think this is going to be a real "carry". The range on auto attacks looks pretty small from the video, like 300 to 400. If you build full DPS you're going to get wrecked with that low range. Which means that you're going to have to build like a bruiser after devourer/botrk.

Her ult doesn't seem to synergize with her kit since she doesn't have an activatable execute like Kalista or twitch(or any real activatable burst damage at all) which you really want in order to finish up your ult. I think this is probably a good thing because it allows enemies to counterpick her ult but we will see how it plays out.

*not sure how to say it. But if you have a non-mirrored setup and the opponent can mirror then the opponent will mirror given there is an advantage one way or the other.. This means that we should expect a mirrored setups unless the setups cannot be mirrored (I.E. there only exists one marksman who can jungle/one melee who can bot lane carry) or if the play is hidden from the enemy team (like say double jungling vs a 4 man push or lane swaps)

This is why the meta shifted from AD mid/AP bot to AD bot/AP mid. Once it was discovered that the "off meta" option was best it became the meta.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

September 15 2015 19:17 GMT

#523

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2015/09/patch-518-notes.html#more

patch notes went up during all the hubbub about the new champ