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chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
August 21 2015 15:06 GMT
#221
are they showing this on the NA/EU servers?

http://lan.leagueoflegends.com/es/news/game-updates/special-event/fondo-de-pantalla-de-la-grieta-en-arte-pixelado

never even considered something video game related as my desktop background but this is beautiful imo.
JJMC
Profile Joined January 2015
Portugal83 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 15:15:29
August 21 2015 15:14 GMT
#222
On August 21 2015 23:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:
This is already the case, though. If you were banned at the end of the season last season you didn't get rewards. How is this any different?


Last season people weren't punished for something they did at the very start of the season. Minor punishments wouldn't also take away your rank rewards.

On August 21 2015 23:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:The other way of looking at it is: in real life, this behavior would just get you "permabanned" from whatever sport or activity you choose. A basketball player who screams at his teammate for missing free throws isn't staying on the team at all.


But they do. Like, you can literally just go to a training place and see coaches and players arguing with each other in ways that would be banned in League, and they stick together anyway. I don't get this point?

On August 21 2015 23:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:(Someone right now is furiously typing a response "BUT WHAT IF YOUR TEAMMATE WAS BLOCKING YOUR SHOTS DELIBERATELY" - as if chat restrictions were only given out for flaming an intentional feeder teammate.)


They make no distinction. You could literally just flame intentional feeders and you'd have the same punishment as the intentional feeder who's flaming the other players. Of course, if you just AFK'd discretely or intentionally fed/lost the game, but were a nice guy in chat, you get nothing.

On August 21 2015 23:37 GrandInquisitor wrote: That's the appropriate comparison here, it's just that we're so desensitized to this stuff online that we somehow think the burden is on the victim to be using the mute button, not the asshole who's ruining someone else's game.


It takes you 1 sec, you mute, it's done. How's that victim blaming? Like, you can mute and the problem's gone. If you make the decision not to solve it, over and over, and over; that's also your fault.

It's like, there's a guy going through your street annoying you, and knocks on your door, you go and he starts mumbling and insulting you, and you don't close the door and peace out, you just sit there listening and get all offended at the outrageousness.

Phenomenal
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 21 2015 15:20 GMT
#223
On August 22 2015 00:06 chalice wrote:
are they showing this on the NA/EU servers?

http://lan.leagueoflegends.com/es/news/game-updates/special-event/fondo-de-pantalla-de-la-grieta-en-arte-pixelado

never even considered something video game related as my desktop background but this is beautiful imo.


Yea I see a link to it in my EUW client.
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
August 21 2015 15:27 GMT
#224
What games are you playing in that you could be banned for flaming only intentional feeders? Seriously, I see perhaps 1 intentional feeder every 50 games.
JJMC
Profile Joined January 2015
Portugal83 Posts
August 21 2015 15:28 GMT
#225
On August 22 2015 00:27 Prog wrote:
What games are you playing in that you could be banned for flaming only intentional feeders? Seriously, I see perhaps 1 intentional feeder every 50 games.


Master/Low Challenger in EUW.
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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 21 2015 16:05 GMT
#226
On August 22 2015 00:28 JJMC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 00:27 Prog wrote:
What games are you playing in that you could be banned for flaming only intentional feeders? Seriously, I see perhaps 1 intentional feeder every 50 games.


Master/Low Challenger in EUW.

Thought the flaming happens at all elos in EUW

At least in NA, most of the flaming is concentrated to platinum 1, while most high elo NA players treat the game as a huge joke (it really is)
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
JJMC
Profile Joined January 2015
Portugal83 Posts
August 21 2015 16:09 GMT
#227
I'm not talking about flamers, I'm talking about griefers, intentional feeders, losing on purpose, etc.
Phenomenal
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 16:13:09
August 21 2015 16:12 GMT
#228
The worst part is that a lot of those guys already got banned on their mains and they learned what to write how to troll so you can't detect it unless you watch the game.

Like picking eve jungle and dancing next to your mid,smiting his cannons,writing "sorry guys i am having a bad day/game" etc
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 21 2015 16:13 GMT
#229
On August 22 2015 01:09 JJMC wrote:
I'm not talking about flamers, I'm talking about griefers, intentional feeders, losing on purpose, etc.

Oh, that shit applies to high elo NA too
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 21 2015 16:51 GMT
#230
On August 21 2015 16:48 Kaneh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2015 16:15 cLutZ wrote:
On August 21 2015 15:49 DarkCore wrote:
On August 21 2015 15:34 cLutZ wrote:
Never been chat restricted. Still think the system is idiotic. Still doesn't punish actual things that affect my gameplay. Also prefer to be carried by an angry flamer than to be dragged down by a polite crapper.


I hate those players: they believe that because they're carrying they're entitled to belittling their team, meaning everyone else feels like shit and plays worse, so that they seem to be carrying even more. I report people who boast at the cost of their team on a regular basis.

Being carried is nice, but honestly I'd rather lose than have fed Riven say 'GG, carried this loser team, EZ'. Even better is when you're winning as a team and someone still thinks it's all because of them.


Lets say you hate those players. Do you honestly hate them more than the intentional champ select trolls which Riot has continued to not deal with?


Did you know you can dislike people verbally being assholes AND champ select trolls? It not choose one or the other ffs. It just happens to be that banning for chatlogs as opposed to figuring out who had 'priority' on mid is much, much, easier.
.

You might be able to do both. Riot, doesn't.
On August 21 2015 21:56 GrandInquisitor wrote:
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On August 21 2015 21:51 Numy wrote:
That's just as "toxic" as the people being punished. You don't deal with jerks by being a jerk yourself. That just creates a world of assholes. If they wanted this to remove the rewards for the ladder than they should have had that in place when the new punishment system was put in place. They can do this for next season if they really want. That will then become about philosophy.

This is like one of my idiot detectors: if you believe in the statement "The death penalty is stupid because we're killing people to show them that killing people is wrong", then I assume you're an idiot. (By way of analogy, replace "death penalty" with "jail" and "killing" with "kidnapping".)

It's just not comparable at all. On the one hand, you have people ruining games for other players, spoiling the reputation of the community, driving people away from the game. On the other, you are denying cosmetic rewards to the 5% worst people on the server. I see nothing inconsistent in thinking that the latter is OK and the former is not.

I have limited sympathy for those who were chat restricted and got out of it and now can't get rewards. Maybe he really did change! I get it. That's slightly sad.

I have much less sympathy for those in this thread and in Reddit who are essentially wholesale defending chat restricted players, suggesting that chat restrictions should have no impact whatsoever on ranked rewards. I have zero sympathy for you, you chose to be an asshole and assholes don't get nice things.

I think its basically a silly thing to deny them rewards, I just don't think its as high a priority as Riot, and also I think their verbal threshold is far too low for a healthy community.

People always say, "its not this or that" but with Riot it always is, and they tend to pick the wrong "this" at a higher rate than seems comprehensible (aka not replays, not sandbox, juggernauts never played competitively before worlds).
Freeeeeeedom
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 17:07:27
August 21 2015 17:04 GMT
#231
On August 22 2015 01:12 nafta wrote:
The worst part is that a lot of those guys already got banned on their mains and they learned what to write how to troll so you can't detect it unless you watch the game.

Like picking eve jungle and dancing next to your mid,smiting his cannons,writing "sorry guys i am having a bad day/game" etc

Yeah, this is what I mean by nafta living in an alternate universe. In over three years of League something like this has literally never happened to me. Literally never. I have seen exactly three intentional feeders in my games, ever, and all of them were from Season 4 or earlier. Verbally abusive players, on the other hand, used to be one in every two games; now it's dropped to about one in every five - still hundreds or thousands of times more common than intentional feeders.

So when people come in here trying to excuse their chat restrictions by pointing to intentional feeders and trolls, I don't get it. Intentional feeders are so incredibly rare that it is just not part of the League experience for me.

Besides, as I think we talked about earlier - what's the relevance? If you're chat restricted, you were an asshole, and you aren't any less of an asshole because you can point to even bigger assholes. You're basically resorting to the defense that "Found someone worse than me - see, at least I'm not literally the worst human being of all time!"
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 21 2015 17:07 GMT
#232
On August 22 2015 02:04 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 01:12 nafta wrote:
The worst part is that a lot of those guys already got banned on their mains and they learned what to write how to troll so you can't detect it unless you watch the game.

Like picking eve jungle and dancing next to your mid,smiting his cannons,writing "sorry guys i am having a bad day/game" etc

Yeah, this is what I mean by nafta living in an alternate universe. In over three years of League something like this has literally never happened to me. Literally never. I have seen exactly three intentional feeders in my games, ever, and all of them were from Season 4 or earlier. Verbally abusive players, on the other hand, used to be one in every two games; now it's dropped to about one in every five - still hundreds or thousands of times more common than intentional feeders.

So when people come in here trying to excuse their chat restrictions by pointing to intentional feeders and trolls, I don't get it. Intentional feeders are so incredibly rare that it is just not part of the League experience for me.

Besides, as I think we talked about earlier - what's the relevance? If you're chat restricted, you were an asshole, and you aren't any less of an asshole because you can point to even bigger assholes. You're basically resorting to the defense that "At least I'm not literally the worst human being of all time!"

Nobody in my family has gotten cancer.Does that mean cancer doesn't exist?
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
August 21 2015 17:08 GMT
#233
Long live disco Nunu.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 17:17:44
August 21 2015 17:16 GMT
#234
On August 22 2015 02:07 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 02:04 GrandInquisitor wrote:
On August 22 2015 01:12 nafta wrote:
The worst part is that a lot of those guys already got banned on their mains and they learned what to write how to troll so you can't detect it unless you watch the game.

Like picking eve jungle and dancing next to your mid,smiting his cannons,writing "sorry guys i am having a bad day/game" etc

Yeah, this is what I mean by nafta living in an alternate universe. In over three years of League something like this has literally never happened to me. Literally never. I have seen exactly three intentional feeders in my games, ever, and all of them were from Season 4 or earlier. Verbally abusive players, on the other hand, used to be one in every two games; now it's dropped to about one in every five - still hundreds or thousands of times more common than intentional feeders.

So when people come in here trying to excuse their chat restrictions by pointing to intentional feeders and trolls, I don't get it. Intentional feeders are so incredibly rare that it is just not part of the League experience for me.

Besides, as I think we talked about earlier - what's the relevance? If you're chat restricted, you were an asshole, and you aren't any less of an asshole because you can point to even bigger assholes. You're basically resorting to the defense that "At least I'm not literally the worst human being of all time!"

Nobody in my family has gotten cancer.Does that mean cancer doesn't exist?

No. But if you didn't encounter cancer despite interacting with thousands and thousands of people it would seem that cancer is rare.

I mean if you play 1 ranked game a day then you will see about 3200 random* people. That is enough for a confident sample even for low probability incidents. If you're legit not seeing many feeders then it's pretty good evidence.

And we'll a lot of people have these similar experiences with regards to not seeing these people. And sure it's not a perfect study but it's about as damn close as we can get. Give that we expect that normal human biases will tend to make feeders seem more prominent if the anecdotal evidence suggests "low" then the answer probably is "low"

*semi-random since you're limited by your MMR and it's likely that feeders congregate but eh.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 17:18:24
August 21 2015 17:17 GMT
#235
On August 22 2015 02:07 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 02:04 GrandInquisitor wrote:
On August 22 2015 01:12 nafta wrote:
The worst part is that a lot of those guys already got banned on their mains and they learned what to write how to troll so you can't detect it unless you watch the game.

Like picking eve jungle and dancing next to your mid,smiting his cannons,writing "sorry guys i am having a bad day/game" etc

Yeah, this is what I mean by nafta living in an alternate universe. In over three years of League something like this has literally never happened to me. Literally never. I have seen exactly three intentional feeders in my games, ever, and all of them were from Season 4 or earlier. Verbally abusive players, on the other hand, used to be one in every two games; now it's dropped to about one in every five - still hundreds or thousands of times more common than intentional feeders.

So when people come in here trying to excuse their chat restrictions by pointing to intentional feeders and trolls, I don't get it. Intentional feeders are so incredibly rare that it is just not part of the League experience for me.

Besides, as I think we talked about earlier - what's the relevance? If you're chat restricted, you were an asshole, and you aren't any less of an asshole because you can point to even bigger assholes. You're basically resorting to the defense that "At least I'm not literally the worst human being of all time!"

Nobody in my family has gotten cancer.Does that mean cancer doesn't exist?

And if somebody in your family has cancer will you treat it with growth hormones? Because that is exactly what flaming a griefer does. The whole point of griefing is to wind others up and get them to rage at you. And you want to reserve your right to give them what they want.
Off-season = best season
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 17:21:01
August 21 2015 17:20 GMT
#236
Well I have played with 3 in my last 10 for what it is worth.Also I don't consider going 0/10 cuz you are a bad player intentionally losing the game before you start telling me that.

Again you guys are just randomly assuming shit I never said.When did I say that you should flame people who are suiciding in the tower wtf?
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 21 2015 17:25 GMT
#237
On August 22 2015 02:20 nafta wrote:
Again you guys are just randomly assuming shit I never said.When did I say that you should flame people who are suiciding in the tower wtf?

Well my apologies then, I thought this is what you were going for.
Off-season = best season
MagnusWolf
Profile Joined November 2011
United States483 Posts
August 21 2015 17:25 GMT
#238
I think the biggest disconnect here is that for the people in very high elo (D1+) there are dedicated trolls that they run into constantly cause its such a small player pool. obviously in like gold or whatever if you hit a troll odds are you'll never see him again, but in masters he'll quite likely be in you next game. Wasn't there a challenger guy who used to post here (entenzwerg maybe?) who kept getting banned because there were a group of trolls who reported him every game they were in together?
http://www.twitch.tv/magnuswolf sometimes I stream, sometimes I don't
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 17:29:36
August 21 2015 17:26 GMT
#239
I do get why people flame them.Because realistically you are powerless vs them.Every time you get matched with them if you don't want to lose you have to dodge.Even if you don't give a shit you still make the other 3 people lose and waste everyone's time.Riot don't ban those players.So at one point you start flaming them.Especially at high elo when you get matched with these people multiple times in a row.Doesn't make it a good idea but is at least understandable.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 17:35:45
August 21 2015 17:33 GMT
#240
On August 22 2015 02:26 nafta wrote:
I do get why people flame them.Because realistically you are powerless vs them.Every time you get matched with them if you don't want to lose you have to dodge.Even if you don't give a shit you still make the other 3 people lose and waste everyone's time.Riot don't ban those players.So at one point you start flaming them.Especially at high elo when you get matched with these people multiple times in a row.Doesn't make it a good idea but is at least understandable.

Well the troll will lose as much Elo as you do though. And he has to play with himself every game, so he should lose Elo quite fast. :D

But seriously if someone plays very bad, doesnt group etc or trolls I think it makes sense to say to yourself "at least this guy didnt win the game". Might be some consolation. One loss here and there because of someone trolling will not change your Elo, as they exist on both sides. And you get to your "Elo home" always pretty fast after having a bad streak (or good streak).
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