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gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
August 21 2015 13:03 GMT
#201
Dunning-Kruger effect applied to to toxicity: toxic flamers don't realize just how toxic they are.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
Maluk
Profile Joined August 2011
France987 Posts
August 21 2015 13:03 GMT
#202
On August 21 2015 22:03 Caiada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2015 22:01 Maluk wrote:
On August 21 2015 21:55 Caiada wrote:
The whole 1984-esque thing above is also *hilarious*

Again, I was a massive asshole having a bad day after the new system got put in. For like 10 games straight! You want to tell me this shit is heavily restricted? Really?

You don't think that modifying the very way people talk in a game within a month can be considered as a heavy influence ?


I would think that, if it were happening for more than long-term or extreme cases. I have no reason to believe it is.

"gg ez" is extreme, ok then.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 13:05:12
August 21 2015 13:04 GMT
#203
On August 21 2015 22:00 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2015 21:56 GrandInquisitor wrote:
On August 21 2015 21:51 Numy wrote:
That's just as "toxic" as the people being punished. You don't deal with jerks by being a jerk yourself. That just creates a world of assholes. If they wanted this to remove the rewards for the ladder than they should have had that in place when the new punishment system was put in place. They can do this for next season if they really want. That will then become about philosophy.

This is like one of my idiot detectors: if you believe in the statement "The death penalty is stupid because we're killing people to show them that killing people is wrong", then I assume you're an idiot. (By way of analogy, replace "death penalty" with "jail" and "killing" with "kidnapping".)

It's just not comparable at all. On the one hand, you have people ruining games for other players, spoiling the reputation of the community, driving people away from the game. On the other, you are denying cosmetic rewards to the 5% worst people on the server. I see nothing inconsistent in thinking that the latter is OK and the former is not.

I have limited sympathy for those who were chat restricted and got out of it and now can't get rewards. Maybe he really did change! I have much less sympathy for those in this thread and in Reddit who are essentially wholesale defending chat restricted players, suggesting that chat restrictions should have no impact whatsoever on ranked rewards.

Anyway I find your other logic a bit inconsistent. You use the logic of 95% of the people not being in the system as justification of punishing people in the system but then you turn around and say this tiny percentage is so bad that they doing all these horrible things to the game as a whole. If they so small that they don't matter in one instance why do they matter in another instance?

Well if I don't respond to other portions of a post I pretty much agree with it. For example: I'm a pretty big asshole, I agree. Never got chat restricted though, probably cause I'm not top 5% in asshole.

There is a very easy mathematical way to explain that phenomenon that you describe: one bad player ruins the game for four others, and one bad game ruins a person's mood for more than a single game. 5% of people can cause an outsized amount of harm to others. Makes sense to target that 5% for maximum effectiveness.
On August 21 2015 22:00 Ansibled wrote:
'I fucking swear all the time in my games. I blame my teammates. I get mad at them.'

This is punishable under Riot logic though.

See, people say this to claim that their bans are unjustified. But they are lying. Because I know. I do this, and I'm not even warned.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
August 21 2015 13:04 GMT
#204
On August 21 2015 22:03 Maluk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2015 22:03 Caiada wrote:
On August 21 2015 22:01 Maluk wrote:
On August 21 2015 21:55 Caiada wrote:
The whole 1984-esque thing above is also *hilarious*

Again, I was a massive asshole having a bad day after the new system got put in. For like 10 games straight! You want to tell me this shit is heavily restricted? Really?

You don't think that modifying the very way people talk in a game within a month can be considered as a heavy influence ?


I would think that, if it were happening for more than long-term or extreme cases. I have no reason to believe it is.

"gg ez" is extreme, ok then.

'bg' is literally the worst thing you can type into chat, even as a joke it is completely unacceptable and deserves a permaban.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 13:05:32
August 21 2015 13:05 GMT
#205
If someone could find me an example of a guy getting permabanned for typing gg ez or bg once, that'd be cool.

Oh wait, it's a silly strawman, nvm

XDG Mata
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
August 21 2015 13:05 GMT
#206
On August 21 2015 22:03 Maluk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2015 22:03 Caiada wrote:
On August 21 2015 22:01 Maluk wrote:
On August 21 2015 21:55 Caiada wrote:
The whole 1984-esque thing above is also *hilarious*

Again, I was a massive asshole having a bad day after the new system got put in. For like 10 games straight! You want to tell me this shit is heavily restricted? Really?

You don't think that modifying the very way people talk in a game within a month can be considered as a heavy influence ?


I would think that, if it were happening for more than long-term or extreme cases. I have no reason to believe it is.

"gg ez" is extreme, ok then.


spamming gg ez in addition to flaming your shit teammates and your noob opponents that got carried though...I doubt it's literally 'gg ez' only that gets you banned.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
Maluk
Profile Joined August 2011
France987 Posts
August 21 2015 13:08 GMT
#207
On August 21 2015 22:05 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2015 22:03 Maluk wrote:
On August 21 2015 22:03 Caiada wrote:
On August 21 2015 22:01 Maluk wrote:
On August 21 2015 21:55 Caiada wrote:
The whole 1984-esque thing above is also *hilarious*

Again, I was a massive asshole having a bad day after the new system got put in. For like 10 games straight! You want to tell me this shit is heavily restricted? Really?

You don't think that modifying the very way people talk in a game within a month can be considered as a heavy influence ?


I would think that, if it were happening for more than long-term or extreme cases. I have no reason to believe it is.

"gg ez" is extreme, ok then.


spamming gg ez in addition to flaming your shit teammates and your noob opponents that got carried though...I doubt it's literally 'gg ez' only that gets you banned.

They said it. Riot literally said that "gg ez" is in the "automatically detected offensive vocabulary" list and, if used too much (what is "too much" here, no one knows), could lead to a ban. Seems like the message was very clear too as gg ez is almost inexistent as of now.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
August 21 2015 13:21 GMT
#208
On August 21 2015 22:08 Maluk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2015 22:05 gobbledydook wrote:
On August 21 2015 22:03 Maluk wrote:
On August 21 2015 22:03 Caiada wrote:
On August 21 2015 22:01 Maluk wrote:
On August 21 2015 21:55 Caiada wrote:
The whole 1984-esque thing above is also *hilarious*

Again, I was a massive asshole having a bad day after the new system got put in. For like 10 games straight! You want to tell me this shit is heavily restricted? Really?

You don't think that modifying the very way people talk in a game within a month can be considered as a heavy influence ?


I would think that, if it were happening for more than long-term or extreme cases. I have no reason to believe it is.

"gg ez" is extreme, ok then.


spamming gg ez in addition to flaming your shit teammates and your noob opponents that got carried though...I doubt it's literally 'gg ez' only that gets you banned.

They said it. Riot literally said that "gg ez" is in the "automatically detected offensive vocabulary" list and, if used too much (what is "too much" here, no one knows), could lead to a ban. Seems like the message was very clear too as gg ez is almost inexistent as of now.



No. Riot said 'gg ez' correlated with players who were the most toxic in league games. If that's the case then I'd wager that's not all the player said during the game or games which caused them to be banned. If people are assholes enough to get banned from this game then I don't care about their pretty rewards.

If players improve their behavior and don't get banned or chat restricted later in the season where do you set the cutoff for rewards? Oh, you can be an jerk that flames your teammates for x number of months before season's end. Play in 2016 if you're improved and desire rewards.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 13:27:55
August 21 2015 13:24 GMT
#209
Is typing ggez worse than offensive gging? One of these gets you chat restricted, the other doesn't. The point is that Riot arbitrarily chooses what to ban, and restricting things like ggez isn't going to make people better it's just going to make them insult you in a different way so why bother? Sure, there's a level (racism etc) that shouldn't be tolerated but 'ggez' is about as far removed from that as you can get.

Does typing ggez deserve a chat restriction? I don't think so.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
JJMC
Profile Joined January 2015
Portugal83 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 13:28:49
August 21 2015 13:25 GMT
#210
Why do rewards for skill get neutered by behaviour? The hell does one thing have to do with the other? There's no context for anything at all either.

Get to promotions to master twice in february, get some guys losing your game on purpose cause of lulz, you're in promos, go on tilt, get chat restricted 75 games; both times. Fine. That's the punishment.

But wait, you also lose the rewards that are supposed to reflect your skill, because of something that has nothing to do with skill, that happened six months ago? I mean, that even contradicts the whole Riots thing with instant punishment.
Phenomenal
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
August 21 2015 13:52 GMT
#211
What's wrong in writing 'bg' after game is done? If I have to play 4v5 from the very beginning, because someone DC'd, or someone trolls or intentionally feeds. Or people just troll around and we're getting hammered in 20 minutes, why would I write 'gg' after the game if it was clearly bad game as fuck?
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 21 2015 13:54 GMT
#212
Everyone who dislikes bg comes from other games where you always said gg regardless of what happens.I was surprised at first when I saw people using bg wp after games.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 13:58:07
August 21 2015 13:56 GMT
#213
GG has essentially replaced the handshake you see in physical sports. Not shaking hands with your opponent in some sports is viewed as unsportsmanlike and puts you in a bad light. Obviously this isn't true for everything and there's a vast difference between intentionally not shaking hands and just forgetting to shake. Cricket for example we always used to line up after the game but in hockey or football it was more lax walk around shake hands.

Saying BG is like intentionally not shaking
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
August 21 2015 13:57 GMT
#214
I don't say gg after clearly garbage games (5v4's for either team, or guys actually really trolling.) I just don't say anything. Don't really see any reason to.
XDG Mata
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 14:04:36
August 21 2015 14:03 GMT
#215
"bg" is essentially you discrediting the opposing team's win and pretty rude. Maybe it makes sense with a leaver but why go out of your way to make the opposing team feel bad? I mean, maybe you had an anivia support that caused you to lose but you can still be polite and let them enjoy their win then throw your mouse at the wall on your own time.

Yes, I also don't say anything if I don't feel like saying gg, that's much better than going out of your way to be impolite~
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 14:42:08
August 21 2015 14:37 GMT
#216
On August 21 2015 22:25 JJMC wrote:
Why do rewards for skill get neutered by behaviour? The hell does one thing have to do with the other? There's no context for anything at all either.

Get to promotions to master twice in february, get some guys losing your game on purpose cause of lulz, you're in promos, go on tilt, get chat restricted 75 games; both times. Fine. That's the punishment.

But wait, you also lose the rewards that are supposed to reflect your skill, because of something that has nothing to do with skill, that happened six months ago? I mean, that even contradicts the whole Riots thing with instant punishment.

This is already the case, though. If you were banned at the end of the season last season you didn't get rewards. How is this any different?

The other way of looking at it is: in real life, this behavior would just get you "permabanned" from whatever sport or activity you choose. A basketball player who screams at his teammate for missing free throws isn't staying on the team at all. (Someone right now is furiously typing a response "BUT WHAT IF YOUR TEAMMATE WAS BLOCKING YOUR SHOTS DELIBERATELY" - as if chat restrictions were only given out for flaming an intentional feeder teammate.) That's the appropriate comparison here, it's just that we're so desensitized to this stuff online that we somehow think the burden is on the victim to be using the mute button, not the asshole who's ruining someone else's game.

So yeah, if you were permabanned, like you would be in any other sport, you definitely wouldn't be getting these rewards. The fact that you're getting any punishment less severe than that, that you're even getting to play, means you should be falling on your knees and thanking RiotLyte for his infinite mercy.

It sort of reminds me of the Chris Rock sketch. Man, you are supposed to be nice to people you low expectation having motherfuckers. All those Redditors are complaining like Riot is imposing impossible-to-follow rules, when really all it requires is that you just act like 95% of all other players, i.e., like a normal civilized human being. It ain't hard. You didn't need to be Mother Theresa or win the Nobel Peace Prize, you just had to be even barely tolerable to your fellow players. And you just couldn't do it because you just had to remind everyone in all chat that you won lane but those feeder faggots in bot lane are keeping you from your Bronze III promos.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 21 2015 14:41 GMT
#217
Does the system check for champ select btw? I just got this in a game + Show Spoiler +

BorisSpaski: IM JUNGEL
BorisSpaski: U FUCKING RETARD
BorisSpaski: if u feed
BorisSpaski: i will rape ur mom


Well he went on more but ye just interested if it's only what you say ingame and nothing to do with trolling or flaming post/pre game
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 21 2015 14:42 GMT
#218
They have access to post-game chat iirc but it isn't checked, and champ select is the wild west basically.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 14:57:20
August 21 2015 14:53 GMT
#219
On August 21 2015 23:41 Numy wrote:
Does the system check for champ select btw? I just got this in a game + Show Spoiler +

BorisSpaski: IM JUNGEL
BorisSpaski: U FUCKING RETARD
BorisSpaski: if u feed
BorisSpaski: i will rape ur mom


Well he went on more but ye just interested if it's only what you say ingame and nothing to do with trolling or flaming post/pre game

Pre game chat is not reportable, I'm very guilty of trolling in champion select and have been doing it for 4 years now

You threaten to feed if you don't get your role, saying whatever you want in champion select, and of course you follow through with your threat, but in game you just say "muting team so I can concentrate" then proceed to feed with no punishment
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
August 21 2015 15:02 GMT
#220
The bar's not even set at acting like a normal civilized human being. It's so much lower. Don't act like a giant raging douche every game and don't use particular words riot has said are a no go. Those words are not gg ez. They're racist or personal threats. A combination of the two might work even better.

I really don't believe people who get frustrated once in a while and rage get banned or chat restricted. I rage occasionally but not every game and I have a feeling many other league players act similarly without consequences. At the end of the day, it takes someone acting like a real asshole baby. You know the type that won't shut up in a restaurant then projectile vomits all over your food as the server carries it past. Yeah, that's the banned players in League.
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