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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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JJMC
Portugal83 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On August 21 2015 17:52 JJMC wrote: That equation seems bad as hell. It would be the same as people going to play football, being forced to get random teammates, and when one just decides to score in your own goal you can't do shit to stop it. Even worse, cause you can't even physically block it or prevent it either in the game. It would be like expecting no arguing, swearing, if you had to play a team game with random people, who might just fuck you over cause of lols. And don't tell me that isn't allowed either, because I've seen people argue in class and call each other out, and handling it decently. I think this actually perfectly sums up the insanely warped mindset of a chat restricted player. "Yes, I'm chat restricted but only because people are scoring in my own goal! They deserved being flamed and called worthless cancer faggot cunts!" Whereas in real life, if you've actually ever played club or intramural soccer, how do people respond when you accidentally score an own goal? Do they stop playing, say "GG FF @ 90, can't carry these fucking noobs", and spend the rest of the game telling you how bad you are and how you don't deserve to be in Division I and how you should go and kill yourself? Or do they say, "It's OK, let's move on" because they're on the same team as you, and just want to win? Do you not think that your league would pretty quickly kick out a player like the former? Behavior that is 100% unthinkable in real sports merely gets a chat restriction in League. There's this ridiculous implication that you're getting chat restricted for "just swearing". I fucking swear all the time in my games. I blame my teammates. I get mad at them. And I've never gotten chat restricted - not because I'm just lucky, since the system is automated - but because I'm not a raging douchenozzle in the 5% worst of the server. I already think my behavior is bad, so if your behavior is miles worse than mine and you still believe you deserve all these cosmetic rewards (let's be honest: it's a skin + a loading border), I don't have much sympathy. Similarly hilarious reasoning: On August 21 2015 16:15 cLutZ wrote: Lets say you hate those players. Do you honestly hate them more than the intentional champ select trolls which Riot has continued to not deal with? On August 21 2015 15:34 cLutZ wrote: Never been chat restricted. Still think the system is idiotic. Still doesn't punish actual things that affect my gameplay. Also prefer to be carried by an angry flamer than to be dragged down by a polite crapper. Yes, because there are other people who are worse, my horrible behavior that ruins games shouldn't be punished. Oh wait, there's an automated system that permabans intentional feeders: http://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answer/131708836802 Shit, better find something else to blame. No problem is my own fault. Also I can't carry out of Bronze V because of my teammates. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
People also call the opponent team names and shit in sports but you can get restricted for writing gg ez in all chat in league.Don't see how those analogies to sports hold up at all tbh. That system isn't up yet so it is irrelevant. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
At the end of the day it reads like this "I've never been punished therefore these people don't deserve this reward that's always been given for rank but now changes mid season". It's a childish approach to the situation. I guess we are inherently childish society anyway so it makes sense. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
People call each other names and are mean in sports. But not to their own team. The community decided they didn't want to see "gg ez"; for better or worse, that's the community we're in, and somehow 95% of players can avoid getting banned. Obviously the other 5% is just a bunch of poor misunderstood dudes having bad days who said "darn" and "gg" and now can't get their loading screen borders and don't you just feel so bad for them. Funny how they never make those same excuses for the people they are flaming. On August 21 2015 21:41 Numy wrote: It seems a bit pretentious to me to say that it's easy to tell who is chat restricted here. It's making rather large leaps of logic for no real reason other than to justify a position. One can have a problem with the proposed punishment without it actually having an effect on them. It's also wrong to use your own personal experience to justify others misfortune. At the end of the day it reads like this "I've never been punished therefore these people don't deserve this reward that's always been given for rank but now changes mid season". It's a childish approach to the situation. I guess we are inherently childish society anyway so it makes sense. It's not an assumption based on their position; it's an assumption based on their logic. There's a philosophical argument to be made here, sure. Is it negative reinforcement or positive, since even though it's technically a reward for good behavior, people see it as negative reinforcement because they feel entitled to the reward? Interesting stuff. And if people were talking about that, that's a totally different story. But when people come in here saying shit like "anyone can get chat restricted" and "the chat restriction system is bullshit" and "everyone has a bad day, you shouldn't get chat restricted for telling people who are bad that they suck" and "if this were a real sport I totally could tell my teammate he's a cancer faggot cunt and no one would care" and "why should i be punished when they can't just use the mute button", it's pretty fucking obvious that they're looking out for themselves. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
All I said was that if the people who got chat restricted don't get restricted again should get rewards since the system made them better according to riot.Is this really that much of a crazy opinion? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
As a side note I also hate that saying "life is unfair". The universe isn't sentient. We cause the shit by being assholes. | ||
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Maluk
France987 Posts
Also retroactive punishment isn't "fairness", it's just hating on the banned people. Lyte's basically saying "fuck you restricted players" with this one. Punishing I can understand ; that's retarded but I see what the project could be in Lyte's mind. Retroactive punishment is plain and simple hate. Which is not only retarded, but unfair, disgusting, and everything else. | ||
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JJMC
Portugal83 Posts
On August 21 2015 21:31 GrandInquisitor wrote: The thing is, I'd be sympathetic and understanding of all these arguments if it weren't for the fact that 95% of all players aren't chat restricted and never will be. That's why it's so easy to tell who's chat restricted here, because to a normal, socially well-adjusted human being, it's never an issue. 95% of all players, remove from those the ones that aren't 30, the ones that play ARAM, 3vs3, Dominion, Blind Pick, Draft, Ranked team and Teambuilder, and tell me if it's still 95%. On August 21 2015 21:31 GrandInquisitor wrote:I think this actually perfectly sums up the insanely warped mindset of a chat restricted player. "Yes, I'm chat restricted but only because people are scoring in my own goal! They deserved being flamed and called worthless cancer faggot cunts!" You go play futeball in the nearby field, there's 10 players, one of them starts scoring on your own goal intentionally, you really think people are just gonna be like, "keep trying man we can do this!". Like, are you actually trolling me right here? On August 21 2015 21:31 GrandInquisitor wrote:There's this ridiculous implication that you're getting chat restricted for "just swearing". Again, who said it was only swearing? Twisting my words here really hard man. On August 21 2015 21:31 GrandInquisitor wrote:Similarly hilarious reasoning: Yes, because there are other people who are worse, my horrible behavior that ruins games shouldn't be punished. Oh wait, there's an automated system that permabans intentional feeders: http://ask.fm/RiotLyte/answer/131708836802 Shit, better find something else to blame. No problem is my own fault. Also I can't carry out of Bronze V because of my teammates. Because flamers can be muted in less than a second. Intentional feeders, AFKers, etc, have been playing for 3 years or more, and I see them almost every game, the same people, so don't point that link to me like it matters anything, when I can see the trolls literally in my games. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
But why? People here don't want them to keep crusading about toxicity, is the actual thing. I don't like any of the arguments for them to stop doing so, honestly, because they're a lot of 'well this other game has no problem with it' and 'grow thicker skin', which are both... not arguments. The whole 1984-esque thing above is also *hilarious* Again, I was a massive asshole having a bad day after the new system got put in. For like 10 games straight! You want to tell me this shit is heavily restricted? Really? | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On August 21 2015 21:51 Numy wrote: That's just as "toxic" as the people being punished. You don't deal with jerks by being a jerk yourself. That just creates a world of assholes. If they wanted this to remove the rewards for the ladder than they should have had that in place when the new punishment system was put in place. They can do this for next season if they really want. That will then become about philosophy. This is like one of my idiot detectors: if you believe in the statement "The death penalty is stupid because we're killing people to show them that killing people is wrong", then I assume you're an idiot. (By way of analogy, replace "death penalty" with "jail" and "killing" with "kidnapping".) It's just not comparable at all. On the one hand, you have people ruining games for other players, spoiling the reputation of the community, driving people away from the game. On the other, you are denying cosmetic rewards to the 5% worst people on the server. I see nothing inconsistent in thinking that the latter is OK and the former is not. I have limited sympathy for those who were chat restricted and got out of it and now can't get rewards. Maybe he really did change! I get it. That's slightly sad. I have much less sympathy for those in this thread and in Reddit who are essentially wholesale defending chat restricted players, suggesting that chat restrictions should have no impact whatsoever on ranked rewards. I have zero sympathy for you, you chose to be an asshole and assholes don't get nice things. | ||
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JJMC
Portugal83 Posts
On August 21 2015 21:56 GrandInquisitor wrote:I have much less sympathy for those in this thread and in Reddit who are essentially wholesale defending chat restricted players, suggesting that chat restrictions should have no impact whatsoever on ranked rewards. I have zero sympathy for you, you chose to be an asshole and assholes don't get nice things. Those can be the same. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 21 2015 21:56 GrandInquisitor wrote: This is like one of my idiot detectors: if you believe in the statement "The death penalty is stupid because we're killing people to show them that killing people is wrong", then I assume you're an idiot. (By way of analogy, replace "death penalty" with "jail" and "killing" with "kidnapping".) It's just not comparable at all. On the one hand, you have people ruining games for other players, spoiling the reputation of the community, driving people away from the game. On the other, you are denying cosmetic rewards to the 5% worst people on the server. I see nothing inconsistent in thinking that the latter is OK and the former is not. I have limited sympathy for those who were chat restricted and got out of it and now can't get rewards. Maybe he really did change! I have much less sympathy for those in this thread and in Reddit who are essentially wholesale defending chat restricted players, suggesting that chat restrictions should have no impact whatsoever on ranked rewards. You really like passively aggressively insulting people. Quite ironic. I assume you are a supporter for death penalty then? Anyway I find your other logic a bit inconsistent. You use the logic of 95% of the people not being in the system as justification of punishing people in the system but then you turn around and say this tiny percentage is so bad that they doing all these horrible things to the game as a whole. If they so small that they don't matter in one instance why do they matter in another instance? Also please stop merely quoting one piece of a post when they are linked. That's ignoring the whole to just focus on one idea that doesn't work without the other. Also can you stop acting like people here are automatically chat restricted just because they don't agree with the decision. I personally have never been punished in my years of playing league, neither have I had any punishment in any game I played. Believing something is unfair doesn't automatically mean you are part of the people it's unfair to. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
This is punishable under Riot logic though. | ||
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Maluk
France987 Posts
On August 21 2015 21:55 Caiada wrote: The whole 1984-esque thing above is also *hilarious* Again, I was a massive asshole having a bad day after the new system got put in. For like 10 games straight! You want to tell me this shit is heavily restricted? Really? You don't think that modifying the very way people talk in a game within a month can be considered as a heavy influence ? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 21 2015 21:55 AlterKot wrote: I somewhat agree with you Numy but honestly the ranked rewards are so meaningless, if 1% decides to behave better to make sure they get rewards and in return I don't get a border then fine by me. Arg there's no reason to sacrifice integrity like this though. They can come up with a way to help reform while still being fair. I see no reason to suddenly do something unfair just to further this agenda. It doesn't sit right and I think it isn't the way to promote positive change in the first place. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
On August 21 2015 22:01 Maluk wrote: You don't think that modifying the very way people talk in a game within a month can be considered as a heavy influence ? I would think that, if it were happening for more than long-term or extreme cases. I have no reason to believe it is. | ||
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