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101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 21 2015 21:37 GMT
#261
On August 22 2015 05:41 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 02:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I'm so confused. Your space bar obviously works but it's like you're not allowed to use it after periods?
On August 22 2015 02:20 nafta wrote:
Well I have played with 3 in my last 10 for what it is worth.Also I don't consider going 0/10 cuz you are a bad player intentionally losing the game before you start telling me that.

Pics or it didn't happen, put up or shut up. Show me that 30% of your games are filled with intentional feeders or something comparable to "Like picking eve jungle and dancing next to your mid,smiting his cannons,writing "sorry guys i am having a bad day/game" etc". Link that OP.GG and let's see.

Either I learn a valuable lesson about how tough nafta's life is, or we get to call someone out on the BS.


User was warned for this post

This is an example of such a game: Notice the Garen
And yes, it's not as uncommon as you think it is.

maybe the garen had a bad laning phase vs riven (you know how she snowballs) and he mis-selected his summoners, probably not intentional feeding tbh
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
August 21 2015 21:38 GMT
#262
On August 22 2015 06:37 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 05:41 Fildun wrote:
On August 22 2015 02:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I'm so confused. Your space bar obviously works but it's like you're not allowed to use it after periods?
On August 22 2015 02:20 nafta wrote:
Well I have played with 3 in my last 10 for what it is worth.Also I don't consider going 0/10 cuz you are a bad player intentionally losing the game before you start telling me that.

Pics or it didn't happen, put up or shut up. Show me that 30% of your games are filled with intentional feeders or something comparable to "Like picking eve jungle and dancing next to your mid,smiting his cannons,writing "sorry guys i am having a bad day/game" etc". Link that OP.GG and let's see.

Either I learn a valuable lesson about how tough nafta's life is, or we get to call someone out on the BS.


User was warned for this post

This is an example of such a game: Notice the Garen
And yes, it's not as uncommon as you think it is.

maybe the garen had a bad laning phase vs riven (you know how she snowballs) and he mis-selected his summoners, probably not intentional feeding tbh

That is the funniest thing I have ever read.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 21:38:36
August 21 2015 21:38 GMT
#263
On August 22 2015 06:37 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 05:41 Fildun wrote:
On August 22 2015 02:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I'm so confused. Your space bar obviously works but it's like you're not allowed to use it after periods?
On August 22 2015 02:20 nafta wrote:
Well I have played with 3 in my last 10 for what it is worth.Also I don't consider going 0/10 cuz you are a bad player intentionally losing the game before you start telling me that.

Pics or it didn't happen, put up or shut up. Show me that 30% of your games are filled with intentional feeders or something comparable to "Like picking eve jungle and dancing next to your mid,smiting his cannons,writing "sorry guys i am having a bad day/game" etc". Link that OP.GG and let's see.

Either I learn a valuable lesson about how tough nafta's life is, or we get to call someone out on the BS.


User was warned for this post

This is an example of such a game: Notice the Garen
And yes, it's not as uncommon as you think it is.

maybe the garen had a bad laning phase vs riven (you know how she snowballs) and he mis-selected his summoners, probably not intentional feeding tbh

Yeah, I hate it when that happens to me too.
JJMC
Profile Joined January 2015
Portugal83 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 21:39:23
August 21 2015 21:38 GMT
#264
On August 22 2015 06:29 Caiada wrote:From checking out when the players actually sold those items, looks like your problem is more people having bad games than any kind of intentional feeding. The one case I'd say is absolutely bannable is that Hec. Lee sold his items at 23 minutes, not long before the game ended, when you all were 6k behind. Not the most mature reaction, probably reportable. Similar with Zed. The other games look like guys dying early and losing hard. So what? Are we banning people for shit games now? And those are the 'instaban levels of obvious', huh.

I wonder what the chat looked like.


The chat looked like Lee Sin flaming the ever living souls of everyone, and Zed being an all happy smiley face guy after complaining that we had no jungler so he'd be a jungler, that's why he started trolling in a 5-0 game. Because he ganked, tried to outplay, and failed flat on his face.

Like, how's selling every item after surrender fails and AFKing so that you force the game to end not bannable?
Phenomenal
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 21:45:07
August 21 2015 21:41 GMT
#265
I said it's reportable. It's probably bannable too, but it's not 'intentional feeding' or what the fuck ever, it's him ragequitting.

It wasn't even a game you were winning. You were 5k behind before he sold anything, off the back of what looked like Viktor wiping the floor with everyone.

Again, the chats were probably hilarious from all parties.
XDG Mata
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 21 2015 21:42 GMT
#266
On August 22 2015 06:38 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 06:37 101toss wrote:
On August 22 2015 05:41 Fildun wrote:
On August 22 2015 02:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I'm so confused. Your space bar obviously works but it's like you're not allowed to use it after periods?
On August 22 2015 02:20 nafta wrote:
Well I have played with 3 in my last 10 for what it is worth.Also I don't consider going 0/10 cuz you are a bad player intentionally losing the game before you start telling me that.

Pics or it didn't happen, put up or shut up. Show me that 30% of your games are filled with intentional feeders or something comparable to "Like picking eve jungle and dancing next to your mid,smiting his cannons,writing "sorry guys i am having a bad day/game" etc". Link that OP.GG and let's see.

Either I learn a valuable lesson about how tough nafta's life is, or we get to call someone out on the BS.


User was warned for this post

This is an example of such a game: Notice the Garen
And yes, it's not as uncommon as you think it is.

maybe the garen had a bad laning phase vs riven (you know how she snowballs) and he mis-selected his summoners, probably not intentional feeding tbh

Yeah, I hate it when that happens to me too.

At least he had the decency to play out the game, unlike the Ahri, I hope she gets banned for negative attitude/afk
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
August 21 2015 21:43 GMT
#267
On August 22 2015 06:42 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 06:38 Fildun wrote:
On August 22 2015 06:37 101toss wrote:
On August 22 2015 05:41 Fildun wrote:
On August 22 2015 02:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I'm so confused. Your space bar obviously works but it's like you're not allowed to use it after periods?
On August 22 2015 02:20 nafta wrote:
Well I have played with 3 in my last 10 for what it is worth.Also I don't consider going 0/10 cuz you are a bad player intentionally losing the game before you start telling me that.

Pics or it didn't happen, put up or shut up. Show me that 30% of your games are filled with intentional feeders or something comparable to "Like picking eve jungle and dancing next to your mid,smiting his cannons,writing "sorry guys i am having a bad day/game" etc". Link that OP.GG and let's see.

Either I learn a valuable lesson about how tough nafta's life is, or we get to call someone out on the BS.


User was warned for this post

This is an example of such a game: Notice the Garen
And yes, it's not as uncommon as you think it is.

maybe the garen had a bad laning phase vs riven (you know how she snowballs) and he mis-selected his summoners, probably not intentional feeding tbh

Yeah, I hate it when that happens to me too.

At least he had the decency to play out the game, unlike the Ahri, I hope she gets banned for negative attitude/afk

There is literally no reason to play a game where you get discoed. You want someone who AFKed a lost game to get punished over someone who intentionally feeds.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 21 2015 21:44 GMT
#268
On August 22 2015 06:38 JJMC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 06:29 Caiada wrote:From checking out when the players actually sold those items, looks like your problem is more people having bad games than any kind of intentional feeding. The one case I'd say is absolutely bannable is that Hec. Lee sold his items at 23 minutes, not long before the game ended, when you all were 6k behind. Not the most mature reaction, probably reportable. Similar with Zed. The other games look like guys dying early and losing hard. So what? Are we banning people for shit games now? And those are the 'instaban levels of obvious', huh.

I wonder what the chat looked like.


The chat looked like Lee Sin flaming the ever living souls of everyone, and Zed being an all happy smiley face guy after complaining that we had no jungler so he'd be a jungler, that's why he started trolling in a 5-0 game. Because he ganked, tried to outplay, and failed flat on his face.

Like, how's selling every item after surrender fails and AFKing so that you force the game to end not bannable?

The same way picking nunu with tp/smite and saying you are top and not going top once for the entire game isn't bannable or intentionally suiciding at tower after you decide your team doesn't deserve a win and declaring it in chat.
JJMC
Profile Joined January 2015
Portugal83 Posts
August 21 2015 21:46 GMT
#269
On August 22 2015 06:41 Caiada wrote:I said it's reportable. It's probably bannable too, but it's not 'intentional feeding' or what the fuck ever, it's him ragequitting.


True, grant you that one.

On August 22 2015 06:41 Caiada wrote:It wasn't even a game you were winning. You were 5k behind before he sold anything off the back of what looked like Viktor wiping the floor with everyone.


Yeah it isn't a game we were winning, but are we allowing people to just ragequit like that? How does that make sense? So if I pick a champion that's supposed to go early, go 10 minutes having the same pressure as Evelynn (who also started AFK by the way), and then ragequit, I'm good? Like, we were losing anyway, so not my problem?
Phenomenal
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 21 2015 21:46 GMT
#270
On August 22 2015 06:43 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 06:42 101toss wrote:
On August 22 2015 06:38 Fildun wrote:
On August 22 2015 06:37 101toss wrote:
On August 22 2015 05:41 Fildun wrote:
On August 22 2015 02:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I'm so confused. Your space bar obviously works but it's like you're not allowed to use it after periods?
On August 22 2015 02:20 nafta wrote:
Well I have played with 3 in my last 10 for what it is worth.Also I don't consider going 0/10 cuz you are a bad player intentionally losing the game before you start telling me that.

Pics or it didn't happen, put up or shut up. Show me that 30% of your games are filled with intentional feeders or something comparable to "Like picking eve jungle and dancing next to your mid,smiting his cannons,writing "sorry guys i am having a bad day/game" etc". Link that OP.GG and let's see.

Either I learn a valuable lesson about how tough nafta's life is, or we get to call someone out on the BS.


User was warned for this post

This is an example of such a game: Notice the Garen
And yes, it's not as uncommon as you think it is.

maybe the garen had a bad laning phase vs riven (you know how she snowballs) and he mis-selected his summoners, probably not intentional feeding tbh

Yeah, I hate it when that happens to me too.

At least he had the decency to play out the game, unlike the Ahri, I hope she gets banned for negative attitude/afk

There is literally no reason to play a game where you get discoed. You want someone who AFKed a lost game to get punished over someone who intentionally feeds.

it was a joke
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 21:49:10
August 21 2015 21:48 GMT
#271
On August 22 2015 06:46 JJMC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 06:41 Caiada wrote:I said it's reportable. It's probably bannable too, but it's not 'intentional feeding' or what the fuck ever, it's him ragequitting.


True, grant you that one.

Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 06:41 Caiada wrote:It wasn't even a game you were winning. You were 5k behind before he sold anything off the back of what looked like Viktor wiping the floor with everyone.


Yeah it isn't a game we were winning, but are we allowing people to just ragequit like that? How does that make sense? So if I pick a champion that's supposed to go early, go 10 minutes having the same pressure as Evelynn (who also started AFK by the way), and then ragequit, I'm good? Like, we were losing anyway, so not my problem?


Of course we should definitely ban ragequitters. Report the fuck out of him; people who say it does nothing are idiots. But pretending like that means there's an intentional feeder in something as outrageous as 1 in 3 games is ridiculously dishonest. I see something like Garen in maybe 1 in 50 games? At worst?
XDG Mata
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 21:49:45
August 21 2015 21:49 GMT
#272
On August 22 2015 06:46 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 06:43 Ansibled wrote:
On August 22 2015 06:42 101toss wrote:
On August 22 2015 06:38 Fildun wrote:
On August 22 2015 06:37 101toss wrote:
On August 22 2015 05:41 Fildun wrote:
On August 22 2015 02:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I'm so confused. Your space bar obviously works but it's like you're not allowed to use it after periods?
On August 22 2015 02:20 nafta wrote:
Well I have played with 3 in my last 10 for what it is worth.Also I don't consider going 0/10 cuz you are a bad player intentionally losing the game before you start telling me that.

Pics or it didn't happen, put up or shut up. Show me that 30% of your games are filled with intentional feeders or something comparable to "Like picking eve jungle and dancing next to your mid,smiting his cannons,writing "sorry guys i am having a bad day/game" etc". Link that OP.GG and let's see.

Either I learn a valuable lesson about how tough nafta's life is, or we get to call someone out on the BS.


User was warned for this post

This is an example of such a game: Notice the Garen
And yes, it's not as uncommon as you think it is.

maybe the garen had a bad laning phase vs riven (you know how she snowballs) and he mis-selected his summoners, probably not intentional feeding tbh

Yeah, I hate it when that happens to me too.

At least he had the decency to play out the game, unlike the Ahri, I hope she gets banned for negative attitude/afk

There is literally no reason to play a game where you get discoed. You want someone who AFKed a lost game to get punished over someone who intentionally feeds.

it was a joke

Hard to tell in this thread atm

I got wooshed.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
August 21 2015 21:49 GMT
#273
On August 22 2015 06:43 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 06:42 101toss wrote:
On August 22 2015 06:38 Fildun wrote:
On August 22 2015 06:37 101toss wrote:
On August 22 2015 05:41 Fildun wrote:
On August 22 2015 02:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I'm so confused. Your space bar obviously works but it's like you're not allowed to use it after periods?
On August 22 2015 02:20 nafta wrote:
Well I have played with 3 in my last 10 for what it is worth.Also I don't consider going 0/10 cuz you are a bad player intentionally losing the game before you start telling me that.

Pics or it didn't happen, put up or shut up. Show me that 30% of your games are filled with intentional feeders or something comparable to "Like picking eve jungle and dancing next to your mid,smiting his cannons,writing "sorry guys i am having a bad day/game" etc". Link that OP.GG and let's see.

Either I learn a valuable lesson about how tough nafta's life is, or we get to call someone out on the BS.


User was warned for this post

This is an example of such a game: Notice the Garen
And yes, it's not as uncommon as you think it is.

maybe the garen had a bad laning phase vs riven (you know how she snowballs) and he mis-selected his summoners, probably not intentional feeding tbh

Yeah, I hate it when that happens to me too.

At least he had the decency to play out the game, unlike the Ahri, I hope she gets banned for negative attitude/afk

There is literally no reason to play a game where you get discoed. You want someone who AFKed a lost game to get punished over someone who intentionally feeds.

Looks like you might want to buy a new sarcasm detector, it has malfunctioned on both of 101toss' posts.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 21:51:47
August 21 2015 21:49 GMT
#274
On August 22 2015 06:49 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 06:43 Ansibled wrote:
On August 22 2015 06:42 101toss wrote:
On August 22 2015 06:38 Fildun wrote:
On August 22 2015 06:37 101toss wrote:
On August 22 2015 05:41 Fildun wrote:
On August 22 2015 02:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I'm so confused. Your space bar obviously works but it's like you're not allowed to use it after periods?
On August 22 2015 02:20 nafta wrote:
Well I have played with 3 in my last 10 for what it is worth.Also I don't consider going 0/10 cuz you are a bad player intentionally losing the game before you start telling me that.

Pics or it didn't happen, put up or shut up. Show me that 30% of your games are filled with intentional feeders or something comparable to "Like picking eve jungle and dancing next to your mid,smiting his cannons,writing "sorry guys i am having a bad day/game" etc". Link that OP.GG and let's see.

Either I learn a valuable lesson about how tough nafta's life is, or we get to call someone out on the BS.


User was warned for this post

This is an example of such a game: Notice the Garen
And yes, it's not as uncommon as you think it is.

maybe the garen had a bad laning phase vs riven (you know how she snowballs) and he mis-selected his summoners, probably not intentional feeding tbh

Yeah, I hate it when that happens to me too.

At least he had the decency to play out the game, unlike the Ahri, I hope she gets banned for negative attitude/afk

There is literally no reason to play a game where you get discoed. You want someone who AFKed a lost game to get punished over someone who intentionally feeds.

Looks like you might want to buy a new sarcasm detector, it has malfunctioned on both of 101toss' posts.

RIP.

I lost track of everything after the 0.03% thing.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
JJMC
Profile Joined January 2015
Portugal83 Posts
August 21 2015 21:52 GMT
#275
On August 22 2015 06:48 Caiada wrote:Of course we should definitely ban ragequitters. Report the fuck out of him; people who say it does nothing are idiots. But pretending like that means there's an intentional feeder in something as outrageous as 1 in 3 games is ridiculously dishonest. I see something like Garen in maybe 1 in 50 games? At worst?


Dude, ragequitters, trolls, intentional feeders, pretty much all the same as in they ruin your gameplay completely. Now, if you wanna argue about intentionally feeding, like, blatantly or more discretely; I won't go into that, we do not have replays and to go through match history doesn't even paint a fraction of the picutre.

I disagree with 1 in 50. A lot. 1 in 15 is being uber generous from where I'm standing.
Phenomenal
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 21:55:09
August 21 2015 21:53 GMT
#276
On August 22 2015 06:52 JJMC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 06:48 Caiada wrote:Of course we should definitely ban ragequitters. Report the fuck out of him; people who say it does nothing are idiots. But pretending like that means there's an intentional feeder in something as outrageous as 1 in 3 games is ridiculously dishonest. I see something like Garen in maybe 1 in 50 games? At worst?


Dude, ragequitters, trolls, intentional feeders, pretty much all the same as in they ruin your gameplay completely. Now, if you wanna argue about intentionally feeding, like, blatantly or more discretely; I won't go into that, we do not have replays and to go through match history doesn't even paint a fraction of the picutre.

I disagree with 1 in 50. A lot. 1 in 15 is being uber generous from where I'm standing.

Then you count people like HWA SuperAZE who autolock supp regardless of if your team has one picked before him, you add all the dodges you do(obviously this includes the "you lost me this one game once upon a time prepare to lose") and you get pretty fucking close.

Like I am not even high elo.Only a d2/d1 shitter and I still get this shit all the time.
JJMC
Profile Joined January 2015
Portugal83 Posts
August 21 2015 21:56 GMT
#277
I guess it's really unbelievable for the majority of the community. Must be standard with the can't carry low elo + high elo is heaven package. I understand I'm stereotyping here but....... damn. Years upon years. Gets tiring.
Phenomenal
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 22:05:57
August 21 2015 21:58 GMT
#278
I dunno, high Elo and EUW are probably different, but even when I'm spamming trolly low ARAMs, I have more problems with people who literally just started the game than actual intentional feeders or people build trolling.

I'm including people building troll shit, like AP Zed or whatever, in the intentional feeder category. Close enough, really. And I just don't see them often enough to see it as some huge problem.

Ragequitting, yeah, that's probably 1 in 5 games on the best of days, but I don't view it was nearly as severe. You're not ruining the game from the start like an AFKer or a guy dying every minute from the beginning of the game. Both of those apparently-severe cases above weren't more than 5 minutes before the game ended anyway. It's frustrating and they're usually spamming hate in the chat, but it's really not the same level of game-ruining.

I'm not high Elo because I suck at the game; don't bother.

People saying 'every high Elo EU player agrees' is also not really convincing. That just makes me think there's something endemic in the community. It's also an echo chamber. Watching more high Elo streams than most, EU and NA, I still don't see any reason to believe it's that common.
XDG Mata
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
August 21 2015 21:59 GMT
#279
On August 22 2015 06:53 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2015 06:52 JJMC wrote:
On August 22 2015 06:48 Caiada wrote:Of course we should definitely ban ragequitters. Report the fuck out of him; people who say it does nothing are idiots. But pretending like that means there's an intentional feeder in something as outrageous as 1 in 3 games is ridiculously dishonest. I see something like Garen in maybe 1 in 50 games? At worst?


Dude, ragequitters, trolls, intentional feeders, pretty much all the same as in they ruin your gameplay completely. Now, if you wanna argue about intentionally feeding, like, blatantly or more discretely; I won't go into that, we do not have replays and to go through match history doesn't even paint a fraction of the picutre.

I disagree with 1 in 50. A lot. 1 in 15 is being uber generous from where I'm standing.

Then you count people like HWA SuperAZE who autolock supp regardless of if your team has one picked before him, you add all the dodges you do(obviously this includes the "you lost me this one game once upon a time prepare to lose") and you get pretty fucking close.

Like I am not even high elo.Only a d2/d1 shitter and I still get this shit all the time.

the trick is to not dodge at high elo, even the stupidest shit can win

either that or make smurfs/buy accounts (you didn't hear this from me) to bypass the dodge timer
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-21 22:04:57
August 21 2015 22:02 GMT
#280
On August 22 2015 06:59 101toss wrote:
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On August 22 2015 06:53 nafta wrote:
On August 22 2015 06:52 JJMC wrote:
On August 22 2015 06:48 Caiada wrote:Of course we should definitely ban ragequitters. Report the fuck out of him; people who say it does nothing are idiots. But pretending like that means there's an intentional feeder in something as outrageous as 1 in 3 games is ridiculously dishonest. I see something like Garen in maybe 1 in 50 games? At worst?


Dude, ragequitters, trolls, intentional feeders, pretty much all the same as in they ruin your gameplay completely. Now, if you wanna argue about intentionally feeding, like, blatantly or more discretely; I won't go into that, we do not have replays and to go through match history doesn't even paint a fraction of the picutre.

I disagree with 1 in 50. A lot. 1 in 15 is being uber generous from where I'm standing.

Then you count people like HWA SuperAZE who autolock supp regardless of if your team has one picked before him, you add all the dodges you do(obviously this includes the "you lost me this one game once upon a time prepare to lose") and you get pretty fucking close.

Like I am not even high elo.Only a d2/d1 shitter and I still get this shit all the time.

the trick is to not dodge at high elo, even the stupidest shit can win

either that or make smurfs/buy accounts (you didn't hear this from me) to bypass the dodge timer

If your goal is to just enjoy some games it is better.I have won tons of dumb ass fucking games like one where our team was rengar top/me ez bot 1v2 and pant/rammus/shaco jungle.

My goal isn't really to climb so I don't really give a shit about wins/losses too much.I am just too bad to go anywhere higher than this right now and too much tryhard involved to grind through.

I probably need to get another account like all of the trolls and gross gore snipers.
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