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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On February 17 2016 05:02 lilwisper wrote: Correct me if I am wrong but Muramana can be a pretty draining item if battles are pretty heated. Doubly so for lower ELO's because we tend to have more fights. Why wouldn't I want to toggle the item if I am trying to conserve mana for when I really need to dish out damage? The assumption is at lower elos people are incapable of using toggles and therefore this is better for them I think. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
... Wat? What a crappy design philosophy. Hell, the only reason bad players realize BoC is because it has pretty animations. Just give MM pretty animations and people will be gargling the balls of some pro who used it well within 5 minutes. Bad players don't notice good skill usage, macro and map play, or pivital gameplay mechanics unless it's expressly clear to them via fancy rewarding animations, or an LCS analyst spams it 500 times. That's why they are bad players 90% of the time. | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
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p3nn
Korea (South)4 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Also Alpha client preview is pretty neat for the most part, except for their detail-level typeface has horrendous readability. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
On March 09 2016 08:53 M2 wrote: I was rengar one trick main until they killed him, so I moved to pantheon, then I saw that they plan to kill pantheon too so I started to practice shyvana and now I see her name here and even though there is no info yet, I bet my ass that she gets the nerf hammer and it will be hard nerf too. This time even before I start spamming the champ Hey M2, drop me an info on which champion you're about to main next so I won't play him, cause it will get nerfed in next PBE cycle probably, haha. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
On March 10 2016 01:48 Zess wrote: The shyv nerfs are fairly minor compared with jungle nidalee being removed fromthe game i have no idea why this even went on PBE there's 0% it goes live when nearly every pro jungler plays nid jungle and there's no other lane to actually want to put her in | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
I am so beyond mad that because Lulu is dominant as a top and midlaner instead of a support, they fucking nerf the base health of her ult. Lulu support is in such a nice state right now, between op and useless, but noooooo, let's give Lulu support another round of deathblows. It is so sad that one of the most fun supports to play with is now approaching it's final form, where she is outclassed by everyone, and you can't even have fun with her, because between her mana costs and now fucking joke of an ultimate (200hp until you reach lvl 11 with a support? Disgusting.), she will be everything but fun at bot lane. And I don't even care if the balance team gets busted on getting high on LSD while making these changes, the sheer fact they even considered this is just infuriating and reeks of incompetence. It's no secret I love Janna, she's my favorite champ after all, but holy shit, seeing how she has been barely touched compared to what she would "deserve" (including current PBE nerfs to her), even though she has been super strong for a very long time (long-long before pros started to play her competitively again in last season), but as soon as nerfing Lulu comes up as a topic to them, they do not hesitate at all to castrate the living shit out of support Lulu. Oh, and meanwhile Riot is trying so hard (for years now, mind you) to balance Alistar to be not THAT overpowered compared to other supports... For some reason they can stomach him being this crazy good tank-initiator, but God forbid Lulu s allowed to cast 5 abilities without running out of mana, doing any damage, or having an actual ultimate. I swear, this company is shattered to fractions. There is no other explanation how can they look like the coolest developers ever, with admirable thought-process, and then BAM, in an instant Swain and support Lulu are nerfed cuz reasons. I need a drink. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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kongoline
6318 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 11 2016 09:02 kongoline wrote: are they serious with those titanic nerfs, its only problem on champs like shyv, yi because of sated devourer, for top its just regular item most toplaners dont even buy it Actually, most bruiser tops buy it now that you can't swap Hydras. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On March 11 2016 08:57 Slusher wrote: Not sure why they don't just try the whimsy nerf by itsef for a cycle, whimsy soeed with high ap is what sets her apart from other enablers Or they could try and give her Q reduced damage to minions. Something brutal like 50% reduced damage to minions (and monsters?) with some (more) AP ratio nerfs should ensure that solo Lulu will never see the light of day again. Then you can give support Lulu some love without risking anything. I get that Lulu is a rather unique pick to solo lanes, but she can't be balanced without making support Lulu completely unplayable. So maybe, just maybe, they should give some love to some of the long forgotten top and midlaners, instead of abusing this poor yordle, and then everyone could be happy. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On March 11 2016 14:41 Gahlo wrote: I get that it sucks that they're nerfing the flat health on her ult and that blows for support Lulu, but I think you're being a tad dramatic about it. "I get that one o your champs will be unlayable now, and to top it all off, for all the wrong reasons, but don't be sad!" Sona with maxed W gives you an effective health between 150 and 205. (can't remember how it scales with Crescendo) Nami with maxed W heals for 185 and I won't even mention that it deals decent damage and can bounce back for either more heals or more deeps. Kayle with maxed W heals for 240 and she has an actual ultimate. Donald Trump would say "beautiful". Taric, the best and most contested support out there with maxed Q heals for 220 + have an hp scaling on a champ that goes tanky anyway. Soraka might be unfair to bring up, as healing is basically her job, but hey, there has to be some irony in that she heals exactly the same amount with maxed W as a lvl 1 Lulu ultimate, except it's on a 2 sec cd. Janna with maxed E shields for 240. One tick of her lvl 1 ultimate heals for 100 in an aoe. But here's my fucking favorite: Lulu (!!) with maxed E shields for 240. You see, these champions basic abilities outheal Lulu's ultimate in effective hp gain at worst when they reach lvl 9, whch means Lulu still needs two extra levels to get rank 2 ultimate, which takes time as support. I did not forget that WG knocks up and has a slowing aura, but it's not like most of these basic abilities don't come with their own plus. Like Janna's bonus AD or Kayle's long lasting and decent mov. speed bonus. The one edge Lulu support had over her competitors was that WG ignored grievious wounds, but ever since the completely bonkers change to how gv works, it doesn't even matter. There is absolutely no reason not to be dramatic here. Once they go through with it, it wouldn't matter anyway, as Lulu would just get an instant ticket to the waiting line for a rework in 2017. edit: And the moral of this complaint should not be that we must all feel said about Lulu. I know not many people play Lulu support nowadays, so it's understandable most of you don't give a flying fuck if Riot erases her. The thing you too should be upset about is how it's done. How is that some champions gets the graceful, slow treatment to find the perfect spot to adjust, and some just gets chopped up in the butcher table without any prior sign of even trying to make that champ fit into his/her role. | ||
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