[Patch 5.15] Fiora Remake General Discussion - Page 46

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The Spoils of War does not provide the wearer any actual gold. All gold generated is given to allies instead.

On August 19 2015 05:50 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I used a noncharged Q because I thought the point was that we were doing R - AA - E - Q - AA - E? Your Q is basically instant there like Janna tornado.

I don't see how you get to 200 AD on Vi on level 14 - wikia pretty clearly says she's 98 at level 14, warrior/TF give you 70 combined, so where's the extra 30 coming from? Dragon alone?

And I didn't realize anyone ever played Vi 9-21. You don't get much from 9 points in offense, but 9 points in defense at least gets you the slow reduction (great for her Q), the jungle masteries, and the 3% increased health. You're first and foremost a damage champion who stays alive by killing them before they kill you.

Also I'm glad we've all come to the consensus of ignoring nafta's posts, who apparently can't hit a Vi Q even after using Vi's ultimate.

On August 19 2015 05:50 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I used a noncharged Q because I thought the point was that we were doing R - AA - E - Q - AA - E? Your Q is basically instant there like Janna tornado.

I don't see how you get to 200 AD on Vi on level 14 - wikia pretty clearly says she's 98 at level 14, warrior/TF give you 70 combined, so where's the extra 30 coming from? Dragon alone?

And I didn't realize anyone ever played Vi 9-21. You don't get much from 9 points in offense, but 9 points in defense at least gets you the slow reduction (great for her Q), the jungle masteries, and the 3% increased health. You're first and foremost a damage champion who stays alive by killing them before they kill you.

Also I'm glad we've all come to the consensus of ignoring nafta's posts, who apparently can't hit a Vi Q even after using Vi's ultimate.

On August 19 2015 05:51 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Question about the secret TL OP item, Face of the Mountain (I can sense Ketara getting hard already):

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Face_of_the_Mountain


I could have sworn this is not true. Am I delusional? I really thought both champions got the gold when relic shield killed a minion.

On August 19 2015 05:56 Slayer91 wrote:
For the record I don't think warrior+trinity is the best idea in most games because you're too squishy if teamfights start happening and they just focus you, however I still think trinity is the best damage item, probably what you should get after randuins or something.
I think BC is probably just a mediocre middle of the line option where you aren't getting a good item for assassinating people but you're still spending more than you should on damage when you want to get tanky first.
The stats are good enough on its own that it's not exactly bad, but I don't think its the optimal build route.
I'd probably get giants belt+phage-->sheen+trinity and then more tank items, or perhaps FoTM-->phage-->sheen-->trinity.

On August 19 2015 05:05 Slayer91 wrote:
Denting blows doen't "negate" the extra attack speed. It increases things like attack animation which change factors like "do you get an extra auto off on the adc before he runs out of range". Also if you auto 5 times and 30% attack speed factors based on your base attack speed, you're going about 0.2 attacks per second so with a 5 auto thing gaining 1 extra auto is reasonable. the AA resets change this a bit though, but I think it's still naive to ignore the extra attack speed.

On August 19 2015 06:08 krndandaman wrote:
randuins > fotm on vi
you want to dive the carry and aoe slow rather than have a pseudo warmogs + shield. as great as fotm is, randuins is better on vi

oh and the armor/passive is also nice.

On August 19 2015 06:08 Slayer91 wrote:
Trinity a lot of movement, which is good for a champ with low sticking power, as well as a 200 burst every time you do get in range for an E, you can't compare it to hydra which is only good for the active just after you ult.
20% more attacks is an extra attack if you auto 5 times, you have some auto resets but its reasonable to assume you'll get at least 1 extra attack in the teamfight.

On August 19 2015 06:22 Goumindong wrote:


I don't think its reasonable at all. AA,E,Q,AA,E at basically no real point interacts with your attack timer. Even if you're using Q instantly you only interact with the attack timer once between E and the next AA. Every other auto attack timer is reset or extended due to ability charge.

You only get an extra auto attack if you get 4 more BC AA's after your combo, 3 more BC auto attacks if your Q is instant. (though its important to note that if your Q is instant you must wait on your E second E in order to get two spellblade procs). I think this is basally inconsequential. And if you're autoing that much you might as well start to figure E, passive, Q CD's too. You're getting pretty close and the target has to be dead by then(or you are)

I don't disagree with you that Hydra is not particularly good on Vi. But I do disagree with you on why. The problem is that you're applying the logic that says "Hydra is better than Trinity Force of Vi" in order to say "Trinity Force is better than BC". But applying the logic that says "BC is better than Trinity Force" to say "Trinity Force is better than Hydra".

Anyway, what about Deadman's Plate and Titanic Hydra? These seem quite interesting items on Vi. Especially if you're going to continue to build the very efficient hybrid tank items.

Warrior, BC, Deadmans's, Titanic, Maw is +55 armor, 40 MR, 400 HP Magic Shield, +190 AD, Armor shred, 20% CDR, an attack reset, bonus move speed, a discharge slow, and +1400 HP.

On August 19 2015 06:22 Goumindong wrote:


I don't think its reasonable at all. AA,E,Q,AA,E at basically no real point interacts with your attack timer. Even if you're using Q instantly you only interact with the attack timer once between E and the next AA. Every other auto attack timer is reset or extended due to ability charge.

You only get an extra auto attack if you get 4 more BC AA's after your combo, 3 more BC auto attacks if your Q is instant. (though its important to note that if your Q is instant you must wait on your E second E in order to get two spellblade procs). I think this is basally inconsequential. And if you're autoing that much you might as well start to figure E, passive, Q CD's too. You're getting pretty close and the target has to be dead by then(or you are)

I don't disagree with you that Hydra is not particularly good on Vi. But I do disagree with you on why. The problem is that you're applying the logic that says "Hydra is better than Trinity Force of Vi" in order to say "Trinity Force is better than BC". But applying the logic that says "BC is better than Trinity Force" to say "Trinity Force is better than Hydra".