[Patch 5.15] Fiora Remake General Discussion - Page 35

To start with, I want to identify the problems Lux has as I see them, and what I think her identity is.

I see her as a poke mage who should be playable both mid and support, who brings above average damage and below average utility as support, and above average utility but below average damage as mid.

I think she's characterized by vision mechanics being a "Light" mage, and long cooldowns, where each if her spells can be used both offensively or defensively, giving her an above average need for proper positioning and good decision-making about how, when and where to use each ability.


These are her problems.

#1 - her numbers are just slightly low compared to modern reworks, and slight numbers tweaks I think are expectable.

I would be careful with her E mana cost however. I have an idea for that later on, but basically I think when Lux is ahead in lane her E is too oppressive and can only be gated by the high mana cost.

At the same time, when she is behind her E mana cost is too high. It's an issue.


#2 - Her late game sustained damage is too low compared to other mages. I think it should be lower than other mages because she is more about shields and Utility late game, but it is too much lower.

At the same time I don't like the idea of reducing her cooldowns because high cooldowns is part of her identity.


#3 - I think her role as a vision oriented light mage could be better defined.


#4 - Her level 1 shield is way too strong. 160+0.7AP shielding at level 1 is bullshit. When Ekko got that you thought it was bullshit, and Ekko is a melee champion. Lux is a long range mage who should be vulnerable if jumped, but she actually wins 1v1 all ins with against most assassins pre 6 if she just shields herself and autos them. It doesn't feel right for a little girl to be that able to go ham against melee opponents.

Post 6, if she gets dove she can point blank ult people and because the ult particle begins around her own body, even if she misses or the Jax or whatever flashes behind her the ult will often still hit and it feels unfair for both parties.



These are the changes I'd like to see:

For Q:
Reduce the CD from 11 seconds to 10 seconds, so it and E have the same cooldown since they are often used together.

Have the Q particle grant vision as it travels. It's stupid that Morg bind, Ahri charm, Xerath stun etc can all be used to scout bushes, but Lux Q can't (the particle continues travelling even after it hits 2 people, makes no sound effect etc) when she's supposed to be the vision centric mage.

You could also have this Q vision see stealth champions similar to Lee Sin, but that's maybe too much.


For W:
Lower the shield value from 160 at level 1 to 120, make it get 10 more with levels so at level 5 its the same.

Then make her shield proc her passive on enemy champions.

This lowers her shielding without sacrificing laning power, but increases counterplay (buzzword!) by letting enemy champions dodge the skillshot.

It's a buff for support Lux since she maxes shield first.

It increases decision making by allowing the shield to be used offensively.

And late game it increases her sustained damage without changing her cooldowns.


For E:
Possibly up the AP ratio from 60% to 70% just to modernize her a bit. You could also switch the Q and E ratios so E is 70% and Q is 60%.

I'd reduce the mana cost from 130 to 90, but then make detonating the E cost 40 mana. So if she detonates it it costs 130, but if she lets it sit the whole 5 seconds and detonate on its own it costs 90.

This means if Lux is ahead and Eing to harass champions constantly her mana costs are the same, but if she's behind and using two Es to safely farm the wave her mana costs are lower.

It's also a unique mechanic and plays into her identity of being all about tactical decisions and positivity.


For R:
I'd make the particle start like 200 range in front of her, so she can't hit melee champions with it without aiming it perfectly, or possibly just can't hit them at all if they're in melee range. Diving on her should be more rewarding.

I'd also make it blind enemy champions facing her similar to Cassiopeia ult. This would give her more utility and more decision making. Do I ult to assassinate the squishy, or blind the enemy divers? It also sets her farther apart from Ziggs and Xerath who don't have this kind of utility.



So there you go. I'm sure it's a pretty shit list of suggestions, but its what I'd like to see.

To start with, I want to identify the problems Lux has as I see them, and what I think her identity is.

I see her as a poke mage who should be playable both mid and support, who brings above average damage and below average utility as support, and above average utility but below average damage as mid.

I think she's characterized by vision mechanics being a "Light" mage, and long cooldowns, where each if her spells can be used both offensively or defensively, giving her an above average need for proper positioning and good decision-making about how, when and where to use each ability.


These are her problems.

#1 - her numbers are just slightly low compared to modern reworks, and slight numbers tweaks I think are expectable.

I would be careful with her E mana cost however. I have an idea for that later on, but basically I think when Lux is ahead in lane her E is too oppressive and can only be gated by the high mana cost.

At the same time, when she is behind her E mana cost is too high. It's an issue.


#2 - Her late game sustained damage is too low compared to other mages. I think it should be lower than other mages because she is more about shields and Utility late game, but it is too much lower.

At the same time I don't like the idea of reducing her cooldowns because high cooldowns is part of her identity.


#3 - I think her role as a vision oriented light mage could be better defined.


#4 - Her level 1 shield is way too strong. 160+0.7AP shielding at level 1 is bullshit. When Ekko got that you thought it was bullshit, and Ekko is a melee champion. Lux is a long range mage who should be vulnerable if jumped, but she actually wins 1v1 all ins with against most assassins pre 6 if she just shields herself and autos them. It doesn't feel right for a little girl to be that able to go ham against melee opponents.

Post 6, if she gets dove she can point blank ult people and because the ult particle begins around her own body, even if she misses or the Jax or whatever flashes behind her the ult will often still hit and it feels unfair for both parties.



These are the changes I'd like to see:

For Q:
Reduce the CD from 11 seconds to 10 seconds, so it and E have the same cooldown since they are often used together.

Have the Q particle grant vision as it travels. It's stupid that Morg bind, Ahri charm, Xerath stun etc can all be used to scout bushes, but Lux Q can't (the particle continues travelling even after it hits 2 people, makes no sound effect etc) when she's supposed to be the vision centric mage.

You could also have this Q vision see stealth champions similar to Lee Sin, but that's maybe too much.


For W:
Lower the shield value from 160 at level 1 to 120, make it get 10 more with levels so at level 5 its the same.

Then make her shield proc her passive on enemy champions.

This lowers her shielding without sacrificing laning power, but increases counterplay (buzzword!) by letting enemy champions dodge the skillshot.

It's a buff for support Lux since she maxes shield first.

It increases decision making by allowing the shield to be used offensively.

And late game it increases her sustained damage without changing her cooldowns.


For E:
Possibly up the AP ratio from 60% to 70% just to modernize her a bit. You could also switch the Q and E ratios so E is 70% and Q is 60%.

I'd reduce the mana cost from 130 to 90, but then make detonating the E cost 40 mana. So if she detonates it it costs 130, but if she lets it sit the whole 5 seconds and detonate on its own it costs 90.

This means if Lux is ahead and Eing to harass champions constantly her mana costs are the same, but if she's behind and using two Es to safely farm the wave her mana costs are lower.

It's also a unique mechanic and plays into her identity of being all about tactical decisions and positivity.


For R:
I'd make the particle start like 200 range in front of her, so she can't hit melee champions with it without aiming it perfectly, or possibly just can't hit them at all if they're in melee range. Diving on her should be more rewarding.

I'd also make it blind enemy champions facing her similar to Cassiopeia ult. This would give her more utility and more decision making. Do I ult to assassinate the squishy, or blind the enemy divers? It also sets her farther apart from Ziggs and Xerath who don't have this kind of utility.



So there you go. I'm sure it's a pretty shit list of suggestions, but its what I'd like to see.