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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On August 17 2015 12:28 MattBarry wrote: Man I finally got a smurf and everytime I load it up I immediately wanna play a champ I know I don't own on that account. Why does man always desire what he cannot have cause riot wants you to pay money for it | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On August 17 2015 09:46 zer0das wrote: I think the most shocking revelation of getting decent ping back is I can actually play Vi now. Think it has to do with Cinderhulk+new Black Cleaver, and maybe Hex into tanky stuff giving the right mix of burst and survivability for me. I don't like Cinderhulk into BC; Warrior into BC feels much stronger because you have great pick potential and do some frankly broken burst damage. Later, after you pick up two tanky items, you can switch to Cinderhulk and ideally grab a Frozen Mallet or something to add some damage back. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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kongoline
6318 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On August 18 2015 00:16 GrandInquisitor wrote: I don't like Cinderhulk into BC; Warrior into BC feels much stronger because you have great pick potential and do some frankly broken burst damage. Later, after you pick up two tanky items, you can switch to Cinderhulk and ideally grab a Frozen Mallet or something to add some damage back. No, ew, no. Either go full damage with Warrior/Triforce or bruiser with Cinderhulk/BC. Anything else is probably a mistake. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On August 15 2015 11:37 Sufficiency wrote: This is correct, but note that some champions can do a 6-camp clear far easier than others. e.g. easy as Warwick/Elise, very hard as Kayle. So you might want to practice once. incorrect gromp->blue->wolves->wraiths->red->mini golems or mini golems->red->wraiths->wolves->gromp->blue(/blue->gromp; depends on jungler) are the best pure farming paths. Pretty simple, just start 1 side and go to the other clearing everything in your path, kinda expected. Also youre wrong Fildun, Eve can do a 6 camp clear. The latest nerf didnt really affect it almost at all, maybe it got a tiny bit tighter. You can still do it though. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
In both cases you're level 3 and a smite, but don't you take less damage doing red if you're gonna use smite, unless you've got a bunch of AoE? Or do you just not smite raptors and save it for red? | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On August 18 2015 06:16 Alaric wrote: Isn't it better to take red after wolves and before raptors, though? In both cases you're level 3 and a smite, but don't you take less damage doing red if you're gonna use smite, unless you've got a bunch of AoE? Or do you just not smite raptors and save it for red? i prefer red before raptors because it both lines up nicely with the smite cooldown coming up and usually you get there early enough to see anyone who attempted to do gromp->your red On August 18 2015 06:03 Scip wrote: incorrect gromp->blue->wolves->wraiths->red->mini golems or mini golems->red->wraiths->wolves->gromp->blue(/blue->gromp; depends on jungler) are the best pure farming paths. Pretty simple, just start 1 side and go to the other clearing everything in your path, kinda expected. Also youre wrong Fildun, Eve can do a 6 camp clear. The latest nerf didnt really affect it almost at all, maybe it got a tiny bit tighter. You can still do it though. i'm favoring 8 camp clear for the ideal farming path, you back with 1.05-1.1k gold and hit level 6 on your next clear | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On August 18 2015 06:18 Frolossus wrote: i prefer red before raptors because it both lines up nicely with the smite cooldown coming up and usually you get there early enough to see anyone who attempted to do gromp->your red wtf? I assume you mean gromp-blue-your red? Kinda yes, but then you can just ward against that once you are on the spot, or your teammate can like 50 seconds prior usually without loss. Also theres the thing that unless theyre stupid theyre doing gromp-blue-your red simply because they can, whether you know about it or not. lining up smites doesnt matter ever since the smite cooldown doesnt get wasted. Doing wraiths first is faster, save smite for red. Can you record an 8 camp clear (any champion)? Sounds slow as hell but maybe its some really secret tech Ive never discovered. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On August 18 2015 06:16 Alaric wrote: Isn't it better to take red after wolves and before raptors, though? In both cases you're level 3 and a smite, but don't you take less damage doing red if you're gonna use smite, unless you've got a bunch of AoE? Or do you just not smite raptors and save it for red? yes of course you smite red | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On August 18 2015 06:25 Scip wrote: wtf? I assume you mean gromp-blue-your red? Kinda yes, but then you can just ward against that once you are on the spot, or your teammate can like 50 seconds prior usually without loss. Also theres the thing that unless theyre stupid theyre doing gromp-blue-your red simply because they can, whether you know about it or not. lining up smites doesnt matter ever since the smite cooldown doesnt get wasted. Doing wraiths first is faster. Can you record an 8 camp clear (any champion)? Sounds slow as hell but maybe its some really secret tech Ive never discovered. you do gromp + smite->blue->wolves->red+smite 8 camp clear works with hecarim no leash. but basically you do either gromp->wolves->blue->red->minis->wraiths->wolves->gromp or minis->wraiths->red->blue->gromp->wolves->wraiths->minis the spawns line up perfectly for you to go back through your jungle. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
you arrive shortly after the first camp you did spawns rather than mini golems which is one of the last ones also you pocket 30 more gold and can gank slightly earlier you're artificially slowing down your clear by backtracking to blue and passing wraiths just to have a fancy 8 camp clear which most champs are too low hp to do and sucks anyway | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On August 18 2015 06:36 Frolossus wrote: you do gromp + smite->blue->wolves->red+smite 8 camp clear works with hecarim no leash. but basically you do either gromp->wolves->blue->red->minis->wraiths->wolves->gromp or minis->wraiths->red->blue->gromp->wolves->wraiths->minis the spawns line up perfectly for you to go back through your jungle. well if you arent gonna record it can you give me some times when you finish your final camp? | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On August 18 2015 05:57 Gahlo wrote: No, ew, no. Either go full damage with Warrior/Triforce or bruiser with Cinderhulk/BC. Anything else is probably a mistake. I think BC is the right answer for Vi regardless of whether or not you go warrior. Its has literally no wasted stats. Its got HP, damage, CDR, armor shred, and move speed. The triforce proc is nice but the big thing about triforce is the follow up move speed. Which BC has while also having better stats in all the other relevant areas and not wasting any stats. Edit: it has 10 more AD, 150 more HP and 20% CDR for more ults and E's and you get it 800 gold faster. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
it's useless to compare stats when you're ignoring sheen because you get 2400 gold worth of sheen on a 3600 item so obviously the stats will look bad on paper the stacking armour pen is a weak stat when you're not focusing tanks, which as vi you generally aren't but im sure there are exceptions | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
But if you're gonna choose one, yeah, go BC. Saves 700g, has ult up more often, and transitions way better into the rest of your build. Feel free to do yoloq bullshit, but if it fails or their team isn't assassination friendly, you've got 3700g into an expensive paper weight in just about any teamfight. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On August 18 2015 06:42 Scip wrote: well if you arent gonna record it can you give me some times when you finish your final camp? on hecarim with no leash 4:44 for the first clear level 6 at 6:36 end of the second clear here, only 3 seconds slower in a recording. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
More generally I think on junglers you sometimes only need to build "enough" damage. It's like that Cinderhulk/BC/Mallet tank Yi build that was trendy a little while ago, that relied on the same principle: you do more damage if you build only the damage you need. | ||
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