EPTOn June 23 2015 11:50 eagle wrote:
keiths retiring even posted on twitter
keiths retiring even posted on twitter
wait... what?!
TSM Acquires Keith - Page 4
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XenOsky
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On June 23 2015 07:40 Mensol wrote: Well you just explained it yourself. Everyone is so bad in NA that Dyrus looking good. He still has no chance against Marin/Koro/Duke/Huni/Acorn and list go on... Nobody said Dyrus has elevated his game to international level, just that there's a marked improvement. He's still got a ways to go, but he's playing a lot better than he was last split. On June 23 2015 07:48 YellowOps wrote: I'm surprised at the amount of hate Regi is getting though. Obviously as a TSM fan myself, it would sadden me to see WT leave but I think Regi's decision to tryout Keith was a win-win situation, as it'd either motivate WT to improve or bring in a fresh young player. People will always give Regi shit whenever he makes a big decision until time tells all and it will, almost inevitably, be proven to be the right decision. The one semi-logical point to disliking this is the fact that this is possibly the first performance based roster change. On June 23 2015 10:13 StarStruck wrote: Santorin is another weak spot on the team and he's far too predictable. I think Regi is making a good move; however, I still don't see TSM doing anything noteworthy at World's. Teams cannot get used to the stats quo or else you'll never push players to keep improving or at least diversifying in order to stay in the hunt. As far as I'm concerned Bjergsen and LustBoy are the two players keeping TSM relevant. Mostly Bjergsen. It's amazing how well that worked out for them bringing him in because their focus so much on him making plays. Lustboy has been pretty bad this split, though I don't know how much of that is his duo connection to Turtle. The team is being held up by it's solo lanes right now. | ||
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IMoperator
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
I'm genuinely surprised that Turtle being considered to be replaced so quickly when Dyrus was pretty much near the bottom to average of the pack for most of the last few years. I don't know how Turtle can make rapid adjustments in a week either. I feel like he's more in a slump than being inherently bad. 100 excuses for Dyrus but merciless for Turtle. Not a Dyrus hater, just trying to make a point. | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On June 23 2015 15:41 K3Nyy wrote: I don't like TSM's management. I'm genuinely surprised that Turtle being considered to be replaced so quickly when Dyrus was pretty much near the bottom to average of the pack for most of the last few years. I don't know how Turtle can make rapid adjustments in a week either. I feel like he's more in a slump than being inherently bad. 100 excuses for Dyrus but merciless for Turtle. Not a Dyrus hater, just trying to make a point. apparently after MSI they told dyrus the same thing and he's played a shit ton of solo queue and has improved a lot. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On June 23 2015 15:41 K3Nyy wrote: I don't like TSM's management. I'm genuinely surprised that Turtle being considered to be replaced so quickly when Dyrus was pretty much near the bottom to average of the pack for most of the last few years. I don't know how Turtle can make rapid adjustments in a week either. I feel like he's more in a slump than being inherently bad. 100 excuses for Dyrus but merciless for Turtle. Not a Dyrus hater, just trying to make a point. Because toplane has the most shallow pool of people who play it properly, especially, in NA. With all hate Dyrus gets, second best toplaner in NA historically is Darshan, who never won anything at all and still can't use tp properly in half of times. While adcs at least appear here and there, even if noone is really as prodigious as s2 Liftlift, s3 WT or s4 Sneaky. But it's hard to argue that at least 80% of TSM success is their management, Reginald knows how to make things work. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On June 23 2015 07:40 Mensol wrote: Well you just explained it yourself. Everyone is so bad in NA that Dyrus looking good. He still has no chance against Marin/Koro/Duke/Huni/Acorn and list go on... The discussion isn't about how he has a change against them though so I don't see why it is relevant at all. | ||
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templar rage
United States2509 Posts
On June 23 2015 15:41 K3Nyy wrote: I don't like TSM's management. I'm genuinely surprised that Turtle being considered to be replaced so quickly when Dyrus was pretty much near the bottom to average of the pack for most of the last few years. I don't know how Turtle can make rapid adjustments in a week either. I feel like he's more in a slump than being inherently bad. 100 excuses for Dyrus but merciless for Turtle. Not a Dyrus hater, just trying to make a point. He doesn't get only a week, he's had over six so far. And probably more since I doubt Regi's conversation with him after MSI regarding getting his ass in gear was the first time. Dyrus is getting a pass here because he earned it. He was in the same exact situation as Turtle after MSI, but he took it to heart and worked his ass off to get better. Turtle hasn't done any such thing as far as I can tell. so Regi has been forced to move onto this next stage of bringing in a competitor for the starting position. Turtle is getting every chance and then some here IMO, yet he hasn't taken any of them so far. | ||
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geript
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On June 24 2015 03:30 geript wrote: Let's be honest. At least in part, Dyrus' shit show last split was related to TSM's prioritization as a team (90% mid centric) and the fact that most of the time Santorin plays like Santorum. In a top centric tanky meta, they hung Dyrus out on a limb and Santorin is mostly useless. So it became Bjerg hard carry or no in many cases. Part of Dyrus doing better is that the meta is shifting away from the tank meta (with Cinderhulk and champion nerfs), part of it is he is playing better in lane, part of it is him adjusting to the recurrence of the 4v0 early push strategy. So he's not TPing into easy dives. In addition, Dyrus champ control appears to be much better this split overall. Well, a big issue with Dyrus' individual play last split was he didn't seem to know matchups outside of the two tanks and Lulu that the team kept him on for the most part. He couldn't play carry tops because his knowledge of the matchups were off and he wouldn't know how to play if he got ahead. I don't know if he just got lazy because TSM was going well or complacent because he was playing Sion/Maokai/Lulu game after game, but he's clearly turned that around with the tear he's gone on in soloqueue. | ||
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Call_me_b_
Mexico117 Posts
>Discussion turns into a debate about dyrus performance.. | ||
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geript
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Amarok
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StarStruck
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On June 24 2015 06:39 StarStruck wrote: sad thing is a lot of them have been playing way below expectations yet they still sit in 2nd place in NA hue. Just goes to show you how bad the situation is this split. Not really. NA has long been TSM and C9 ruling the roost and now that the lynchpin of C9 is gone that team has collapsed. We just need to find out if TL is willing to step up and be legit or if CLG can stop shooting itself in the foot. | ||
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NotMeEver
United States100 Posts
On June 23 2015 07:33 wei2coolman wrote: I don't know how you can say this when we just saw Gamsu shit stomp the living shit out of scrubs this past weekend. It's almost like the words "one of the best top laners" were used... | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
It's just not a good situation and Regi realizes that. There needs to be drastic improvement and a team like TSM has to try new things to create better synergy between the team if they have any hope of taking games off the Chinese and Korean teams. C9 isn't even relevant atm and I don't think they're going to be relevant for a while. As for TL.. they're having a hard time even beating the teams higher up than them when those teams are playing sub par. Sure those games were close, but you still went 0-2 last week. Like come on. It's pretty bad the good thing is a lot of the players realize this and take it in jest. Now they got to act upon it. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On June 24 2015 12:45 StarStruck wrote: The point is none of them are even close to being good enough in their positions. It doesn't matter who's show it is in NA atm. Both those teams are lackluster and their scores have very little meaning with how poor a lot of the games have been. It's just not a good situation and Regi realizes that. There needs to be drastic improvement and a team like TSM has to try new things to create better synergy between the team if they have any hope of taking games off the Chinese and Korean teams. C9 isn't even relevant atm and I don't think they're going to be relevant for a while. As for TL.. they're having a hard time even beating the teams higher up than them when those teams are playing sub par. Sure those games were close, but you still went 0-2 last week. Like come on. It's pretty bad the good thing is a lot of the players realize this and take it in jest. Now they got to act upon it. Keep in mind that TSM with Amazing was good enough to take a game off of SSW and nobody is SSW right now. Nobody would consider Amazing to be, ugh, amazing. Dyrus wasn't playing as well as he is now. Bjergsen is Bjergsen. Honestly, the biggest thing holding TSM back right now is their bot lanes and it's really messing with their mid/late game because Turtle is doing so little. If they can get his head right, which seems to be the issue, or if Keith can be a solid addition to the roster they can work towards being an international level team again. Until that happens, I don't think TSM has the ability to move forward with anything. | ||
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