EPTTSM Acquires Keith - Page 3
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 23 2015 07:22 travis wrote: last couple games I saw of dyrus he looked like one of the best NA top lanes I don't know how you can say this when we just saw Gamsu shit stomp the living shit out of scrubs this past weekend. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
He is doing three man gank mid for two times then he is off to his jungle. You cant see him till TSM decides to take dragon. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On June 23 2015 07:33 wei2coolman wrote: I don't know how you can say this when we just saw Gamsu shit stomp the living shit out of scrubs this past weekend. Just because Gamsu looks amazing doesn't mean Dyrus doesn't look like one of the best top laners. Impact didn't look great, Quas looked bad, Hauntzer was pretty good, Flarez is too inconsistent, Cali is throwlord, Zion is doing well but his TPs or lack of feel a bit odd and Balls is bad. So yea Dyrus is looking like top 2/3 top laner in NA atm. | ||
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HyperST
Canada279 Posts
On June 23 2015 07:33 wei2coolman wrote: I don't know how you can say this when we just saw Gamsu shit stomp the living shit out of scrubs this past weekend. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On June 23 2015 07:37 Numy wrote: Just because Gamsu looks amazing doesn't mean Dyrus doesn't look like one of the best top laners. Impact didn't look great, Quas looked bad, Hauntzer was pretty good, Flarez is too inconsistent, Cali is throwlord, Zion is doing well but his TPs or lack of feel a bit odd and Balls is bad. So yea Dyrus is looking like top 2/3 top laner in NA atm. Well you just explained it yourself. Everyone is so bad in NA that Dyrus looking good. He still has no chance against Marin/Koro/Duke/Huni/Acorn and list go on... | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
dyrus can't even win lane against scrubs, your point? also one of those scrubs was quas. | ||
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YellowOps
Canada2 Posts
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
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HyperST
Canada279 Posts
On June 23 2015 07:44 wei2coolman wrote: dyrus can't even win lane against scrubs, your point? also one of those scrubs was quas. Helios camped Gamsu's lane like crazy while Santorin rarely even went up to top lane for a gank. While DIG is more top heavy with mid and bot playing support roles, TSM only helps top for counterganks, which is more than before but that doesn't equal to top priority like DIG. This also means that while Gamsu gets to snowball his leads on carries such as J4 and Hec, Dyrus only has access to Gnar, which you can tell by his item choices that he builds for team fights and not rushing Black Cleaver to 1v1 like Zion does. Therefore, you can only judge a top laner by their respective roles. Sure, Dyrus does not aggressively go for 1v1s, but he makes up for it in team play. Yes, Gamsu gets the support for him to snowball, but then (on his J4 game) he had such a huge lead on J4, which is usually GG except he repeatedly dove the backline without his teammates and basically suicided in team fights, making the game a 53minute slug fest. So how can you say one top laner is definitively better than the other when they have different roles? Or do you only judge by kills? Also, Quas and Impact have been drop the ball hard this week especially in the early game. Beating them doesn't reward Gamsu with a medal since TSM also beat TL and TiP. Context is everything. And in my first comment I did not say Dyrus was the best when it came to laning and 1v1. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
On June 23 2015 08:23 Slusher wrote: the older this game gets more convoluted I feel like the phrase 'wining lane' has become Agreed. So much of "winning the lane" comes down to how your team prioritises your farm and plays the laneswap in general. It's not as simple as looking at how much farm someone has gotten in the first 15 minutes. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On June 23 2015 07:57 HyperST wrote: Helios camped Gamsu's lane like crazy while Santorin rarely even went up to top lane for a gank. While DIG is more top heavy with mid and bot playing support roles, TSM only helps top for counterganks, which is more than before but that doesn't equal to top priority like DIG. This also means that while Gamsu gets to snowball his leads on carries such as J4 and Hec, Dyrus only has access to Gnar, which you can tell by his item choices that he builds for team fights and not rushing Black Cleaver to 1v1 like Zion does. Therefore, you can only judge a top laner by their respective roles. Sure, Dyrus does not aggressively go for 1v1s, but he makes up for it in team play. Yes, Gamsu gets the support for him to snowball, but then (on his J4 game) he had such a huge lead on J4, which is usually GG except he repeatedly dove the backline without his teammates and basically suicided in team fights, making the game a 53minute slug fest. So how can you say one top laner is definitively better than the other when they have different roles? Or do you only judge by kills? Also, Quas and Impact have been drop the ball hard this week especially in the early game. Beating them doesn't reward Gamsu with a medal since TSM also beat TL and TiP. Context is everything. And in my first comment I did not say Dyrus was the best when it came to laning and 1v1. Not to mention that one of those scrubs, Quas, Dyrus played this week too. And while Quas was picking up kills, Dyrus more than held his own in lane. If I recall Dyrus was like 2/1/11 or something really good. On June 23 2015 07:07 RagequitBM wrote: Wow, if Keith gets this, he's going to be making a lot of cash for an 18 year old with that TSM stream viewer buff. I'm jelly He doesn't even need to stay on TSM to be honest. If he plays ONE game for TSM, his stream buff is gonna be naisu. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On June 23 2015 06:24 Redox wrote: Bjergsen leaving TSM lol. He will nowhere earn even half the amount as on TSM with streaming included. And you have no guarantees that your next team will actually perform better. Also I dont get why people always talk as if TSM is going down. They are still second in NA even with the problems they have. They are still second in NA, yes. But Regi's been very clear that their goal is to perform well at Worlds, not just in NA- and in their current form, they won't. TSM holds itself to a higher standard, so it's to be expected that fans will also have higher expectations of them. On June 23 2015 09:34 JonGalt wrote: He doesn't even need to stay on TSM to be honest. If he plays ONE game for TSM, his stream buff is gonna be naisu. Considering Keith is still a part of Team Liquid, he's unlikely to play a single game for TSM. It's either no games on TSM because Wildturtle stays on, or turtle gets benched, TSM acquires Keith from TL, and he becomes the starter ADC and plays a bunch of games. | ||
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StarStruck
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laebteo
United States2 Posts
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Call_me_b_
Mexico117 Posts
On June 23 2015 07:57 HyperST wrote: Helios camped Gamsu's lane like crazy while Santorin rarely even went up to top lane for a gank. While DIG is more top heavy with mid and bot playing support roles, TSM only helps top for counterganks, which is more than before but that doesn't equal to top priority like DIG. This also means that while Gamsu gets to snowball his leads on carries such as J4 and Hec, Dyrus only has access to Gnar, which you can tell by his item choices that he builds for team fights and not rushing Black Cleaver to 1v1 like Zion does. Therefore, you can only judge a top laner by their respective roles. Sure, Dyrus does not aggressively go for 1v1s, but he makes up for it in team play. Yes, Gamsu gets the support for him to snowball, but then (on his J4 game) he had such a huge lead on J4, which is usually GG except he repeatedly dove the backline without his teammates and basically suicided in team fights, making the game a 53minute slug fest. So how can you say one top laner is definitively better than the other when they have different roles? Or do you only judge by kills? Also, Quas and Impact have been drop the ball hard this week especially in the early game. Beating them doesn't reward Gamsu with a medal since TSM also beat TL and TiP. Context is everything. And in my first comment I did not say Dyrus was the best when it came to laning and 1v1. As if TSM Camperin (Santorin) didn´t camp mid all the time. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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HyperST
Canada279 Posts
On June 23 2015 10:25 Call_me_b_ wrote: As if TSM Camperin (Santorin) didn´t camp mid all the time. yes but we are just talking about the two top laners and how they fit in their team. not the mid lane | ||
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eagle
United States693 Posts
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